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Message: <blockquote data-quote="wally" data-source="post: 3461995" data-attributes="member: 3578">To try and still continue the discussion…While there are a lot of video games out there now that allow so much more options they still do not compare to tabletop games that I have participated in.I played Oblivion for quite a while and really enjoyed it, but when options aren’t available, like climbing (unless I really missed it) or picking up things like ladders (which I could never find), I find the game limiting.If I am playing in a tabletop game that is limiting to that end…The GM has a specific set of encounters that we cannot miss, and specific puzzles that we have to solve or we can’t continue, then I feel ‘like I am playing a video game’.  Yes, that has already been remarked upon in here, but I can give you good examples of it.If I am playing in a tabletop game that is not limiting, and I mean within reason (I can explain that if you want), then I feel more free to do what I want, and I haven’t seen a video game that allows that.What this leads back to is the original discussion…If you are playing in a game where the GM requires a specific action on the part of the players before they can continue, then yes, in my opinion, that is a wrong thing. They should always have a choice, even if that choice is failing and leaving this puzzle behind. In the long run it could mean that they are unable to obtain the great something or other that helps them defeat the great evil/good, but at least that choice is there. If a GM limits choice like that, then the game can stop dead in its tracks and without a game, I don’t think anyone can have fun. If the GM leaves clues all over to help with the puzzle, and the players/characters don’t notice or realize, then it isn’t that they are stupid, just that maybe the GM should have hinted that there are going to be clues that should be paid attention to, or he should realize that the players aren’t expecting or want to play that kind of game.  No reason to point fault for that, just understand and move on.-wally</blockquote>

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