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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 3304360" data-attributes="member: 2205">We will indeed.  How is that a counter exactly?  Either the PC's go solve things on their own, or they don't and the town goes kablooey.That's not a counter, that's just being whiney.So's that.To be perfectly honest with you, I'm not enamored of either your response or theirs.  Being penalized for trying to find creative solutions to a problem rather than just hopping on the rails and riding the DM's train to the adventure's obvious conclusion is no fun as a player.  Being told that it's "not very heroic" is adding insult to injury.At the same time, players who expect everything that they could think of to be wildly successful and then whine when it isn't is very tiresome too.  Why should they expect that the City Watch would 1) give them the time of day in the first place, 2) believe a single word that they say, 3) even if they do 1 and 2, why should they drop everything to run to the PC's aid, etc.If I were DMing, I'd probably have the City Watch listen to the PCs and depending on the PC's and their methods, I'd either 1) throw them out for being rabble-rousers and vigilantes--or if they really wanted to try and get nasty with the Watch, lock them up for being rabble-rousers and vigilantes, or 2) send a small token force (three or four level 1-2 warriors) to check out their claims and see what's what.  If the PC's complain that the Watch isn't as helpful as they'd like, I'd calmly explain that, "what--you think the entire setting revolves around you and your character's problems?" or not so calmly reach across the table and smack them for whining to me.That said, we're so far only hearing one side of the story here, and when that happens, I tend to assume that the PC's (hypothetical, by your own admission) whininess is probably exaggerated a bit.  So keep in mind that I wouldn't be particularly enamored with playing under you as a DM based on what little you've described so far either.</blockquote>

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