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Message: <blockquote data-quote="N'raac" data-source="post: 6137052" data-attributes="member: 6681948">OK, tyhat Cleric must have a 24 WIS - what do his other stats look like, compared to the Paladin's?  Cleric alaso got a L4 and L2 slot at 13th, to be fair.  I assume your INT's are equal, so you each got the same skill points.  Paladin's Lay on Hands also went up by CHA modifier.  And 13th seems a level chosen (accidentally or intentionally) to be a good level for a spellcaster (new spell level at odd numbers) and not a great one for warrior tyles (common dead level).  Our group has always looked at the party strength more than an individual character.  The cleric, especially, tends to use a lot of resources for teammates (that extra L2 spell is a Bull's Strength for the Paladin).  In my view, Pathfinder leveled the field better (nothing is perfect) by giving the Paladin a lot more additions than the Cleric - I think the Paladin is a tough one in 3rd, needing 4 stats (STR and CON for combat, not DEX so much due to heavy armor, plus CHA for paladin abilities and some WIS for paladin spells), and having pretty weak special abilities relative to spells or even other classes, though.But I don't see those bonus spell slots correcting the balance, so we agree there.</blockquote>