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<blockquote data-quote="Grog" data-source="post: 941793" data-attributes="member: 6183">Re: Re: Worth saying twice...Not when SR is taken into account. 11th level wizard vs. Blue Great Wrym. Has to hit with the ranged touch attack (not hard, the dragon's touch AC is 6, but he still might roll a 1) - 95% chance. Needs a natural 20 to penetrate SR 31 - 5% chance. Dragon has a +29 Fort save - there's no way an 11th level wizard gets his DC higher than 31, so the dragon only fails on a natural 1 - 5% chance. Wizard's chance of killing the dragon with 3E disentegrate - .95 * .05 * .05 = 0.002375. Roughly a .2% chance. That's a far cry from a 5% chance.So, 998 times out of a thousand, the spell has no effect, and the dragon then proceeds to have the wizard for lunch.Mid-level wizards killing ultra-powerful monsters with one shot never happened anyway, so changing spells to &quot;fix&quot; that problem is dumb. As I said, the problem I have is that if that same wizard gets hit with a disentegrate spell, it's still a save or die spell for him, but a lot of the monsters he would have been able to kill with it before (medium-power monsters) won't be killed by it now. To me, that isn't fair to the wizard.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Grog, post: 941793, member: 6183"] [b]Re: Re: Worth saying twice...[/b] Not when SR is taken into account. 11th level wizard vs. Blue Great Wrym. Has to hit with the ranged touch attack (not hard, the dragon's touch AC is 6, but he still might roll a 1) - 95% chance. Needs a natural 20 to penetrate SR 31 - 5% chance. Dragon has a +29 Fort save - there's no way an 11th level wizard gets his DC higher than 31, so the dragon only fails on a natural 1 - 5% chance. Wizard's chance of killing the dragon with 3E disentegrate - .95 * .05 * .05 = 0.002375. Roughly a .2% chance. That's a far cry from a 5% chance. So, 998 times out of a thousand, the spell has no effect, and the dragon then proceeds to have the wizard for lunch. Mid-level wizards killing ultra-powerful monsters with one shot never happened anyway, so changing spells to "fix" that problem is dumb. As I said, the problem I have is that if that same wizard gets hit with a disentegrate spell, it's still a save or die spell for him, but a lot of the monsters he would have been able to kill with it before (medium-power monsters) won't be killed by it now. To me, that isn't fair to the wizard. [/QUOTE]

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