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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MrMyth" data-source="post: 5276551" data-attributes="member: 61155">But we haven't actually see many people saying that, at least in this thread. Sure, it could be a statement founded on your previous experiences with such claims, but saying that "the issue many have with Save or Die is just dying, not the mechanic itself" - when most responses have indicated otherwise - seems to be putting forward a false few of the situation.   "I think that, for some games, it can be awesome to die a dramtic, heroic death, and for some games death is nothing but "losing". I think that heavy RP games are much more likely to be in the firts group, and RP light games are much mor elikely to be in the second group." That... is the exact post I was responding to. Which outright says that some games, which are heavy on roleplaying, have awesome dramatic heroic deaths, and other games, which are light on roleplaying, are about winning and losing.  My post was much more aimed at BryonD's statement than your own. Your own certainly seemed to feed into it - offering up the idea that the people objecting to SoD were just objecting to death in general, and didn't like to have their characters ever risk dying. Which could well have some value judgements attached, if not presented outright as such.  In any case, as I said - I think several of your points were good ones (and that the duration of 'downtime' can be a key factor of the frustration over 'instant death'), and my only issue was point 3, particularly when taken to the much more extreme view presented by BryondD.</blockquote>

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