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<blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 5280962" data-attributes="member: 18280">I don't think it is about the changes, per se.&nbsp; I think it is about massive changes, while making claims that the game remains the same.&nbsp; Had the changed game been called something else, I doubt any advocates of older editions would care.There are people who believe that the game has changed in a fundamental way, not only in rules but in spirit, from its inception to the current edition.&nbsp; To those people, the claim that this new thing (which is found undesireable) &quot;remains the same&quot; as the old (which is enjoyed) is a form of slander.Rather similar to how some others might feel if they faced a recurrent and official claim that SSSoD is essentially the same as SoD; nothing has changed.&nbsp; I am more than willing to accept 4e into the D&amp;D family -- it some good ideas, even if I don't care for how they were developed -- but I can certainly understand why others might not.&nbsp; There have been games more akin to OD&amp;D or 1e than 4e is for decades.&nbsp; And they managed to stay in business despite TSR's aggressive stance re: IP because they were not the same.RC</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Raven Crowking, post: 5280962, member: 18280"] I don't think it is about the changes, [I]per se[/I]. I think it is about massive changes, while making claims that the game remains the same. Had the changed game been called something else, I doubt any advocates of older editions would care. There are people who believe that the game has changed in a fundamental way, not only in rules but in spirit, from its inception to the current edition. To those people, the claim that this new thing (which is found undesireable) "remains the same" as the old (which is enjoyed) is a form of slander. Rather similar to how some others might feel if they faced a recurrent and official claim that SSSoD is essentially the same as SoD; nothing has changed. I am more than willing to accept 4e into the D&D family -- it some good ideas, even if I don't care for how they were developed -- but I can certainly understand why others might not. There have been games more akin to OD&D or 1e than 4e is for decades. And they managed to stay in business despite TSR's aggressive stance re: IP because they were [I][B]not the same[/B][/I]. RC [/QUOTE]

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