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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 5280994" data-attributes="member: 957">You are leaving out one piece.&nbsp; And that one piece makes ditching the game not only very reasonable, but even the best option available.And that one piece is: There are one or more other games ready and waiting that hit much closer to the mark.It would be misleading to say that I &quot;like D&amp;D&quot;.&nbsp; I love roleplaying games, and I have a particular tendency to prefer fantasy based games.I played 1E and 2E until I found that there were better games.&nbsp; I left D&amp;D because I had zero brand loyalty and complete interest in great fantasy RPGs.&nbsp; D&amp;D wasn't it.&nbsp; Then 3E came along, and to me, D&amp;D was it again.&nbsp; Now, with 4E, D&amp;D again isn't it.&nbsp; 4E is fine, but it is the Nth best fantasy RPG out there.&nbsp; And N is a lot higher than the number of different game systems I'm invested in.I play PF.&nbsp; But my PF is seriously house-ruled.&nbsp; There are several aspects of PF that don't work for me, and as you said, I'm not looking for another game over them.&nbsp; But, with PF, the foundation of the game, the core presumaptions of what makes a good game, are right there in my interests.&nbsp; This is really not a true statement for the foundations of 4E.&nbsp; (A SoD is a symptom of that, not a cause)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 5280994, member: 957"] You are leaving out one piece. And that one piece makes ditching the game not only very reasonable, but even the best option available. And that one piece is: There are one or more other games ready and waiting that hit much closer to the mark. It would be misleading to say that I "like D&D". I love roleplaying games, and I have a particular tendency to prefer fantasy based games. I played 1E and 2E until I found that there were better games. I left D&D because I had zero brand loyalty and complete interest in great fantasy RPGs. D&D wasn't it. Then 3E came along, and to me, D&D was it again. Now, with 4E, D&D again isn't it. 4E is fine, but it is the Nth best fantasy RPG out there. And N is a lot higher than the number of different game systems I'm invested in. I play PF. But my PF is seriously house-ruled. There are several aspects of PF that don't work for me, and as you said, I'm not looking for another game over them. But, with PF, the foundation of the game, the core presumaptions of what makes a good game, are right there in my interests. This is really not a true statement for the foundations of 4E. (A SoD is a symptom of that, not a cause) [/QUOTE]

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