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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 5284527" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>For someone who complains often of me playing silly buggers with meaning, you're pretty quick to pull a quote out of context. I'm not the one saying that, someone else is.</p><p></p><p>But, this is futile. You're simply going to accuse me of deliberately misinterpreting yet again.</p><p></p><p>Ariosto - it's been so long since I've looked at a 1e Monster Manual that I'll take your word for how the mechanics work. I don't recall if a basilisk's gaze was an area of affect attack or not. If it wasn't, then I'm actually pretty happy with the way it is in that ruleset. It stops being an instant death sentence for one PC because it's not forcing saves on the entire group.</p><p></p><p>I believe I did say that before. The issue isn't so much SoD, it's the combination of SoD with an AoE attack. Even fireball isn't really SoD. A 5 die fireball averages 17 points of damage. Most 5th level characters (barring wizards) have more than 7 hit points (where the spell becomes an ACTUAL save or die). By and large, fireball isn't going to be save or die.</p><p></p><p>Now, to be fair, dragons breath is one where I don't mind it so much. But, then again, a dragon is one creature where I would agree that foreshadowing is a very good idea. A dragon encounter should always be an epic event IMO, and that gives the PC's a chance to prepare proper counters.</p><p></p><p>A medusa? Not so much.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 5284527, member: 22779"] For someone who complains often of me playing silly buggers with meaning, you're pretty quick to pull a quote out of context. I'm not the one saying that, someone else is. But, this is futile. You're simply going to accuse me of deliberately misinterpreting yet again. Ariosto - it's been so long since I've looked at a 1e Monster Manual that I'll take your word for how the mechanics work. I don't recall if a basilisk's gaze was an area of affect attack or not. If it wasn't, then I'm actually pretty happy with the way it is in that ruleset. It stops being an instant death sentence for one PC because it's not forcing saves on the entire group. I believe I did say that before. The issue isn't so much SoD, it's the combination of SoD with an AoE attack. Even fireball isn't really SoD. A 5 die fireball averages 17 points of damage. Most 5th level characters (barring wizards) have more than 7 hit points (where the spell becomes an ACTUAL save or die). By and large, fireball isn't going to be save or die. Now, to be fair, dragons breath is one where I don't mind it so much. But, then again, a dragon is one creature where I would agree that foreshadowing is a very good idea. A dragon encounter should always be an epic event IMO, and that gives the PC's a chance to prepare proper counters. A medusa? Not so much. [/QUOTE]
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