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<blockquote data-quote="MrMyth" data-source="post: 5294442" data-attributes="member: 61155"><p>I'm not sure that's so. The problem here is that people are talking in extremes. </p><p> </p><p>Hussar isn't saying that you don't have mythic creatures whose presence is known, I don't think. He may well consider that possible. He may even consider it typical. </p><p> </p><p>That doesn't mean it is universally true. </p><p> </p><p>An argument keeps getting made that seems to return to the theme that every SoD encounter has warning flags. That might be true, sometimes. But there are other times when it won't be true. Whether for mechanical reasons - the SoD monster just happens to be on a random encounter table. Or for incidental reasons - a Wizard might have a SoD memorized, and the DM didn't somehow 'prep' the party with full awareness of his spellbook. Or even for thematic reasons - maybe there is an evil villain who likes to keep his pet basilisk a surprise, or an assassin who likes the element of surprise, or any number of other possibilities. </p><p> </p><p>Insisting that there is a 'footprint' for every encounter - that the DM needs to leave signs for every possible creature on a random encounter table, that there isn't one possible thematic reason for a creature's presence to not be known before the fight - is the sort of extreme that Hussar - and myself, and probably others - are objecting to. </p><p> </p><p>I'm sure there are DMing styles where that is true. I suspect there are many more DMs for whom it is <em>often</em> true, but certainly not universal. And there are plenty of other games where it may not be often true, whether for roleplaying or mechanical reasons or the challenge of it or otherwise. </p><p> </p><p>Regardless, I simply don't think its fair to dismiss it as people 'not getting it' when all we are really doing is objecting to the absolutism of the claim.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MrMyth, post: 5294442, member: 61155"] I'm not sure that's so. The problem here is that people are talking in extremes. Hussar isn't saying that you don't have mythic creatures whose presence is known, I don't think. He may well consider that possible. He may even consider it typical. That doesn't mean it is universally true. An argument keeps getting made that seems to return to the theme that every SoD encounter has warning flags. That might be true, sometimes. But there are other times when it won't be true. Whether for mechanical reasons - the SoD monster just happens to be on a random encounter table. Or for incidental reasons - a Wizard might have a SoD memorized, and the DM didn't somehow 'prep' the party with full awareness of his spellbook. Or even for thematic reasons - maybe there is an evil villain who likes to keep his pet basilisk a surprise, or an assassin who likes the element of surprise, or any number of other possibilities. Insisting that there is a 'footprint' for every encounter - that the DM needs to leave signs for every possible creature on a random encounter table, that there isn't one possible thematic reason for a creature's presence to not be known before the fight - is the sort of extreme that Hussar - and myself, and probably others - are objecting to. I'm sure there are DMing styles where that is true. I suspect there are many more DMs for whom it is [I]often[/I] true, but certainly not universal. And there are plenty of other games where it may not be often true, whether for roleplaying or mechanical reasons or the challenge of it or otherwise. Regardless, I simply don't think its fair to dismiss it as people 'not getting it' when all we are really doing is objecting to the absolutism of the claim. [/QUOTE]
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