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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MrMyth" data-source="post: 5304315" data-attributes="member: 61155">Ok, I wanted to address this point somewhat directly. I beleive Planesailing brought it up originally - the idea that the Bodak example from earlier (Rogue sneaks up to a house, sees a Bodak, dies) shouldn't work because, if the Rogue is hidden, he obviously can't meet the Bodak's gaze.  And, I'm sorry, I just don't think there is any merit to that. At least, not in terms of the actual rules. If someone wants to house rule that, feel free, I get the sense behind it, but I don't think the rules support it in any way, and the second people are justifying their arguments by house rules, the issues returns to the system, not the DM.   I'm sorry, the DM running the rules correctly is not bad DMing. Hiding from a creature does not make you immune to its gaze attacks, period. Note, I'm discussing this from how gaze attacks worked in 3rd Edition (since that is where the encounter happened), so if they were wildly different before that... fair enough.  Buy if I'm fighting a Bodak, or a Basilisk, or a Medusa, and I spend my turns hiding in the shadows and shooting them, I'm not immune to their gaze attacks. Their gaze attacks involve me looking at them. It doesn't matter if they can see me or not. If Perseus is invisible, and standing in front of a Medusa, and meets its gaze, he turns to stone. If a rogue is in the shadows, spying on a Bodak, he's still subject to saving vs death.  Now, you could argue that there is no guarantee the Bodak is looking in his direction. And there, maybe, you might have a point, and could make up some chance as to whether the Bodak is looking that way or not. Of course, 3rd Edition doesn't work like that - there is no facing. Gaze attacks happen when you are within a certain range and look at the creature - you can only avoid it by looking away entirely or trying to avert your eyes. Those are the rules.  The idea that if you hide from a creature, this somehow physically prevents it from looking in your direction - I'm sorry, but there's no justification for that. And arguing that running the rules the way they are written is the fault of the DM here, rather than ths system, is absolutely absurd.</blockquote>

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