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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MrMyth" data-source="post: 5304430" data-attributes="member: 61155">Well, fair enough. The entire reason I tried to seperate it from the rest of the discussion was because of how disconnected it was from the main points of the discussion, and I'm not sure how disagreement here affects the rest of the topic.   I just see this extreme disconnect that being hidden from something means it is impossible to view its gaze.  A rogue, in combat, can't dart into the shadows, and then turn and somehow safely look upon the Bodak. Similarly, a rogue, sneaking outside a house, who peers in through the window to specifically look upon the creature inside, is not somehow incapable of seeing its gaze.  I mean, let's think about this for a second. Say I'm a rogue hiding in the shadows, watching the passerby. Do I really not get to see anyone's face? Does hiding from them really mean that they are constantly turned away from me?  No, it means that I have successfully managed to blend into the shadows so that they don't notice me. I can still identify them. I can study their features.  Think about what you would say if a rogue sneaked up to peer into a house and see who is inside, and the DM declared he couldn't get any angle at which to view the person's features, since doing so would mean the rogue himself was instantly seen? Does that really make sense? I'd find that far more a travesty of DMing than this.  The rules you quote list the conditions for avoiding a gaze attack - to close your eyes or to look away from it. Or its face, as the case may be.  Either way, someone who is peering in a window and staring at a creature is not doing either of these things.   I can see the rational in where you are starting from, here - someone hidden is, presumably, someone that isn't not being directly stared at by the one they are observing. But that isn't really what hiding is about - it is about concealing yourself in the shadows. If a Bodak is standing in the room, watching the door, and you look in through a window and observe it, its face remains visible to you, whether it notices you or not.  Could the Bodak happen to be looking in another direction? Maybe. But one standing at the back of the room, watching the doorway as instructed, isn't going to magically turn around or away from you because you look in through the window.</blockquote>

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