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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Abraxas" data-source="post: 5306220" data-attributes="member: 1266">I believe you are missing the point - the text of the SRD demonstrates that you have to meet the creatures gaze - but meeting the creatures gaze does not = seeing the creature. Its up to the DM to decide if your character has met the creature's gaze.The SRD doesn't include the additional descriptive text - the descriptive text could be read your way or RC's way - how you choose to read it affects how you play the game and how you deal with these type of abilities. Which may or may not affect your attitude toward SoD effects. Mr Myths rules interpretation is only correct for one reading of the text - but I don't think that's what's being discussed. It appears the discussion is about what character choices should matter and when. One side appears to want the choices to occur during the encounter/combat - the other side wants the choices to occur leading up to the encounter.Both are effectively SSSoD effects, the timing is just different and the mechanism of the SS is different.If everyone just picked the game that has an SS that appeals to them and didn't try to convince others that their SS was bad/wrong fun everyone would probably be happier - not that everyone in this thread is trying to convince others of that, but some give that appearance.</blockquote>