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<blockquote data-quote="ogre" data-source="post: 350655" data-attributes="member: 4671">This happend in a climatic battle in my Watchers Keep homebrew, where the party of 4-13th levels were fighting two CR16 minotaurs. The wizard took out the Barbarian in the 1st round with a save or die, the battle quickly ended.anyway,...I run most &quot;save or you die or you are basically taken out of the entire combat, so sit there and have no fun while everyone else is playing&quot; spells, I grant a new save every round or so (depending, usually on how the PC is roleplayed or clever ideas they may try heh) This makes the game more fun for 'us' though i realize it's not for everyone.I was thinking after reading this thread, that the save or die, 'when the baddie fails his save before the battle really begins' spell affects could be held off until right before any PC dies, with instead of the PC dieing, at that moment the PC kills the baddie (that already failed his save and should be dead) in a climatic ending.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ogre, post: 350655, member: 4671"] This happend in a climatic battle in my Watchers Keep homebrew, where the party of 4-13th levels were fighting two CR16 minotaurs. The wizard took out the Barbarian in the 1st round with a save or die, the battle quickly ended. anyway,... I run most "save or you die or you are basically taken out of the entire combat, so sit there and have no fun while everyone else is playing" spells, I grant a new save every round or so (depending, usually on how the PC is roleplayed or clever ideas they may try heh) This makes the game more fun for 'us' though i realize it's not for everyone. I was thinking after reading this thread, that the save or die, 'when the baddie fails his save before the battle really begins' spell affects could be held off until right before any PC dies, with instead of the PC dieing, at that moment the PC kills the baddie (that already failed his save and should be dead) in a climatic ending. [/QUOTE]

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