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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 5921253" data-attributes="member: 48965">Aren't people who are surprised in danger of turning to stone? &nbsp;&nbsp;Someone will eventually fail and turn to stone. I mean I'm failing to see how multiple saving throws in 4e, which were (unmodified) 50/50 and often resulted in no body turning to stone are any better in this aspect?? As far as the Caves of Chaos encounter goes... well it's just that, bad encounter design... which is a different can o worms than the actual medusa as a monster. &nbsp;&nbsp;Again I think theres quite the &quot;OH Crap!!&quot; factor when even one person is surprised and turned to stone in a party... what I've never seen in 4e is that type of frantic fear when facing a monster like this, instead I see players betting the averages... &quot;Ok, well she still has two saves before she turns to stone... everyone focus fire now!!&quot;. &nbsp;My reading of the surprise rules seem to imply that if the Medusa can get out of their view, it can regain surprise since the rules say surprised can be gained if PC's are unaware of a creatures approach. IMO if you add some treacherous terrain (so the PC's can't continuously keep their eyes closed and move safely) then the encounter with a medusa is going to play out as a pretty frightening and epic battle... similar to the scene in Clash of the Titans where the medusa uses knowledge of her lair and hit and run tactics to continuously catch the warriors off guard and petrify them. This could easily end up being a desperate, gritty, and frightening battle unless the PC's either coordinate well, come well prepared or get lucky. IMO, of course.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 5921253, member: 48965"] Aren't people who are surprised in danger of turning to stone? Someone will eventually fail and turn to stone. I mean I'm failing to see how multiple saving throws in 4e, which were (unmodified) 50/50 and often resulted in no body turning to stone are any better in this aspect?? As far as the Caves of Chaos encounter goes... well it's just that, bad encounter design... which is a different can o worms than the actual medusa as a monster. Again I think theres quite the "OH Crap!!" factor when even one person is surprised and turned to stone in a party... what I've never seen in 4e is that type of frantic fear when facing a monster like this, instead I see players betting the averages... "Ok, well she still has two saves before she turns to stone... everyone focus fire now!!". My reading of the surprise rules seem to imply that if the Medusa can get out of their view, it can regain surprise since the rules say surprised can be gained if PC's are unaware of a creatures approach. IMO if you add some treacherous terrain (so the PC's can't continuously keep their eyes closed and move safely) then the encounter with a medusa is going to play out as a pretty frightening and epic battle... similar to the scene in Clash of the Titans where the medusa uses knowledge of her lair and hit and run tactics to continuously catch the warriors off guard and petrify them. This could easily end up being a desperate, gritty, and frightening battle unless the PC's either coordinate well, come well prepared or get lucky. IMO, of course. [/QUOTE]

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