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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Magus Coeruleus" data-source="post: 1056992" data-attributes="member: 1704">Okay, let's look at it the way you describe.  By the way, I'm not trying to give you a hard time, but just trying to fully analyze your reasoning because I find it persuasive and I'd like to understand it more fully to see if I can ultimately accept it.Let's look at the exact wording for that Rage:So if ending the Rage and breaking from combat are two different things, when does the Rage end if you order the badger to break off from combat?  If neither it nor its opponent dies, when does it stop raging?  Of course, you could ask the same question under other circumstances where neither dies.  For instance, what if the opponent manages to Teleport away?  I'd think that if the opponent disappears completely, that counts as it's being "dead" as far as the berserking badger is concerned.  But if you just make it break off and the opponent is still there, what happens with the rage?  Can you direct it to attack someone else and take advantage of the rage that was triggered by the original opponent?  That's a pretty powerful trick, I think.I don't think badger rage is just the bonuses; it's also the involuntary drive to attack an opponent until one of them is dead or otherwise gone.  Taken this way, you can't have a badger break off of combat but still be raging.  It's not like a barbarian's rage, which is voluntarily with respect to whether attacks are made and to whom they're directed.Here's another idea:  Note the following regarding the Attack trick:  "Normally, an animal will attack only humanoids, monstrous humanoids, giants, or other animals. Teaching an animal to attack all creatures (including such unnatural creatures as undead and aberrations) counts as two tricks."  Would it be reasonable to say that teaching a creature that rages in the manner of badgers and wolverines to break off combat using the "Down" trick even when they are in a berserker rage counts as two tricks?</blockquote>

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