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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DreamChaser" data-source="post: 1586126" data-attributes="member: 1190">Interesting concept.  My concerns are as follows:(1) Creating two specials kinds of "nonlethal" damage that causes a shift in the rule that undead are immune to nonlethal damage:  I had considered nonlethal damage but felt that a way of dealing with undead that does not require redefining them (or creating a special exception) would integrate better into the existing mechanic.(2) Book keeping in terms of the p nonlethal v s nonlethal:  Sure it might not come up too often, but then by the same token, it might quite a bit.  An evil cleric could rebuke undead to undo the good cleric's turning and this would lead to a cycle of nonlethal damage healing nonlethal damage (which is just silly when you think of it).(3) Too many die rolls:  A cleric with only a basic die set would be rolling her d6 countless times (leading to countless delays) in a fight with undead.If at least two of these things could be dealt with (all three ideally), I would be pretty pumped about the system.Possible solutions:(1) Mental ability damage (as I suggested) or real damage (although this might be too powerful:  As I have said, creating a system that violates one of the core parts of the Undead type is iffy, IMHO.  Undead are susceptible to real damage and mental ability damage.(2) ??? I'm not sure what to do with this one.  I just know that the damage healing damage thing is too counterintuitive to me.(3) Get rid of the turning damage or make the "damage" a set amount instead of a roll.Just my thoughts.DC</blockquote>

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