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<blockquote data-quote="Artoomis" data-source="post: 2618083" data-attributes="member: 111"><p>I think maybe you missing my point. this spell COULD be read three ways:</p><p></p><p>1. Anyone who resists gets a saving throw and spell resistance applies.</p><p></p><p>Reading this sentence as a stand-alone:... An unwilling creature can attempt a Will save to negate the spell and can use spell resistance, if any. I think this is incorrect, but it is one way to read this.</p><p></p><p>2. Only those directly targeted get saving throw and SR.</p><p></p><p>The spell can be centered on a creature, and the effect then radiates from the creature and moves as it moves. An unwilling creature can attempt a Will save to negate the spell and can use spell resistance, if any. </p><p></p><p>Reading these two sentences together with the second modifying the first. This appaers to be the most correct way to read the language, but it's not the way it's played, I think.</p><p></p><p>3. Only those targeted get a saving throw and SR applies to all (but that's really NOT the way it reads as written - we conclude this because of other SR rules vs, AoO spells)</p><p></p><p>The spell can be centered on a creature, and the effect then radiates from the creature and moves as it moves. An unwilling creature can attempt a Will save to negate the spell and can use spell resistance, if any. </p><p></p><p>This one is really tough to get out of the actual language - it requires having the second sentence modify the frst but then also split the second sentence artificially into two parts. It's really a stretch, even though this is way I (and most people) play it.</p><p></p><p>The way the two sentences are structured, either the saving throws and SR apply to the same group of people - either the one targeted or anyone in the AoO.</p><p></p><p>If everyone got SR why would you need SR Yes; see text or no (object)? Why not just Yes or no (object).</p><p></p><p>I am beginning to think that SR does not apply unless you are targetted - which is certainly not my going-in position.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Artoomis, post: 2618083, member: 111"] I think maybe you missing my point. this spell COULD be read three ways: 1. Anyone who resists gets a saving throw and spell resistance applies. Reading this sentence as a stand-alone:... An unwilling creature can attempt a Will save to negate the spell and can use spell resistance, if any. I think this is incorrect, but it is one way to read this. 2. Only those directly targeted get saving throw and SR. The spell can be centered on a creature, and the effect then radiates from the creature and moves as it moves. An unwilling creature can attempt a Will save to negate the spell and can use spell resistance, if any. Reading these two sentences together with the second modifying the first. This appaers to be the most correct way to read the language, but it's not the way it's played, I think. 3. Only those targeted get a saving throw and SR applies to all (but that's really NOT the way it reads as written - we conclude this because of other SR rules vs, AoO spells) The spell can be centered on a creature, and the effect then radiates from the creature and moves as it moves. An unwilling creature can attempt a Will save to negate the spell and can use spell resistance, if any. This one is really tough to get out of the actual language - it requires having the second sentence modify the frst but then also split the second sentence artificially into two parts. It's really a stretch, even though this is way I (and most people) play it. The way the two sentences are structured, either the saving throws and SR apply to the same group of people - either the one targeted or anyone in the AoO. If everyone got SR why would you need SR Yes; see text or no (object)? Why not just Yes or no (object). I am beginning to think that SR does not apply unless you are targetted - which is certainly not my going-in position. [/QUOTE]
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