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<blockquote data-quote="Magus Coeruleus" data-source="post: 1845639" data-attributes="member: 1704">I think this is a useful comparison, and a reasonable way to approach it&nbsp; On the other hand, extra critical damage is based on how well the attacker hits, regardless of any characteristics of the target (other than immunity to crits, of course).&nbsp; So it seems necessary that crit damage apply before DR, whereas I'm not sure when both a damage increase and a damage increase are due to qualities of the target.We looked at that but unfortunately I don't think it addresses the issue either way, because if you're only considering saves and vulnerabilities, not resistances (which is true for that DMG/MM quote), it doesn't really matter.&nbsp; dmg * 1.5 (vulnerability) * .5 (save) = dmg * .5 (save) * 1.5 (vulnerability) = dmg * .75.&nbsp; Granted, which you do first could make 1 pt difference due to rounding down.&nbsp; But in any case, I don't see how the quote implies order--it just says the +50% applies whether or not you make the save.&nbsp; You could apply it before or after save results and the result is the same.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Magus Coeruleus, post: 1845639, member: 1704"] I think this is a useful comparison, and a reasonable way to approach it On the other hand, extra critical damage is based on how well the attacker hits, regardless of any characteristics of the target (other than immunity to crits, of course). So it seems necessary that crit damage apply before DR, whereas I'm not sure when both a damage increase and a damage increase are due to qualities of the target. We looked at that but unfortunately I don't think it addresses the issue either way, because if you're only considering saves and vulnerabilities, not resistances (which is true for that DMG/MM quote), it doesn't really matter. dmg * 1.5 (vulnerability) * .5 (save) = dmg * .5 (save) * 1.5 (vulnerability) = dmg * .75. Granted, which you do first could make 1 pt difference due to rounding down. But in any case, I don't see how the quote implies order--it just says the +50% applies whether or not you make the save. You could apply it before or after save results and the result is the same. [/QUOTE]

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