Reply to thread

Message: <blockquote data-quote="theapoapostolov" data-source="post: 7810593" data-attributes="member: 7015865">Is there a design intent behind this? The way I see it, because grapple is a precondition to other abilities and effects, the designers wanted everything to be graspable within reason, which includes a luck window of 19 rather than ~9.5. A luck window, modified by proficiency and few points of attribute modifiers is still more luck than skill, thus being a "luck roll" like all opposed checks in the game.Now, the real broken thing is using the "luck roll" mechanics for shoving, knocking prone and - worst of all! - disarming. These actions have actual consequences beyond the standard prerequisite condition and but still completely disregard skill and modifiers in favor of the roll. In my <a href="https://www.gmbinder.com/share/-LDHolQY2FURKf-8xCT3" target="_blank">own house rules</a> here I use check vs DC the same way you propose.Pathfinder 2e is solving the issue by making Grappling an Athletics vs 10+FORT (a Fortitude DC) but PF2 has a much better system for tiered proficiencies where even your saves can be leveled and improved with feats. There's more design space to work with.</blockquote>