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<blockquote data-quote="CM" data-source="post: 5739491" data-attributes="member: 18340">After doing some more digging, the Compendium has this bit of information, which is from Dragon 373 (?):Failed Saving Throw

Sometimes an effect changes as a target fails saving throws against it. The new effect, specified in a “First Failed Saving Throw” or a “Second Failed Saving Throw” entry, takes effect after the target fails a saving throw against the previous effect at the end of the target’s turn. The effect doesn’t change if the creature fails a saving throw against it at a time other than the end of its turn.I'm not sure why this hasn't been rolled into the general rules on saving throws, but, while it doesn't explicitly call out death saves, the spirit of the rule implies to me that extra granted death saves that fail don't count against the limit of 3. If they did, allies granting extra death saves might only end up hastening the character's death.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="CM, post: 5739491, member: 18340"] After doing some more digging, the Compendium has this bit of information, which is from Dragon 373 (?): [INDENT][B]Failed Saving Throw[/B] Sometimes an effect changes as a target fails saving throws against it. The new effect, specified in a “First Failed Saving Throw” or a “Second Failed Saving Throw” entry, takes effect after the target fails a saving throw against the previous effect at the end of the target’s turn. The effect doesn’t change if the creature fails a saving throw against it at a time other than the end of its turn.[/INDENT] I'm not sure why this hasn't been rolled into the general rules on saving throws, but, while it doesn't explicitly call out death saves, the spirit of the rule implies to me that extra granted death saves that fail don't count against the limit of 3. If they did, allies granting extra death saves might only end up hastening the character's death. [/QUOTE]

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