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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kae'Yoss" data-source="post: 716806" data-attributes="member: 4134">AC's indeed are DC's for attack rolls. but saves are no DC's, we have the save DC's for that. Saves and attacks are very similar in that they both are subject to luck and stress, and both are good for the one that makes them, if he succeeds (and bad if he fails.)But I think the thread here is about saves being subject to autofail/-success, not about the logic of autofail/-success itself.So I HAVE to use errata? I HAVE to use all the rules in the core rulebooks? I think not!Please don't confuse "official" with "mandatory". No single rule in the whole rulebooks are mandatory. I can change what I want. So the best you can say about our autosaves is that they're not official. But as much as I care, they're quasi-official. And that "quasi" there is atomically small.Since it isn't stated either way in the core rules (it is stated that attack rolls use it, and IIRC it is also explicitly stated that skill checks don't use it), it is not exactly changing. I think we should focus more on the spirit on the rules, instead on the letter of the rules. The latter is for lawyers, while the former is for people.Also, don't forget that they rarely release errata (AFAIK before they do a new printing of the book, where they change those issues).If they overwrite rules, they state that this is supercedes the core rule (and sometimes it's actual errata)Also, the same argument can be made with errata: no one is compelled to download it (some may even be unable to), and so the old polymorph rules are official for them.3.5e will be like errata, only on a larger scale. And all the rules updates will be available in the SRD.And it's still no house rule, IMO. It's a forgotten rule, the way it is taken as natural in countless other books is evidence enough for that.</blockquote>

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