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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7633640" data-attributes="member: 6795602">At most I can get +5 from wisdom assuming I neglect 2 of str, dex, con.  I still need a 14+ to pass vs a high level wizard and it took a ton of ASI's to get to that point.  For that much investment the benefit isn't enough.I don't play with feats.Rerolls don't really help when you need nearly a 20 to pass.He gets 2 more ASI's than most other characters.  at most he can have +2 more stat bonus to a single stat than any other PC in the game.  That's really what you are suggesting make him good at saves?  That's laughable.Doesn't help much when your that abysmal at making the save in the first place.Oh great point.  Even if I shore up wisdom, my int or cha saves will be in the nearly 20 to pass boat....</blockquote>