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<blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7634027" data-attributes="member: 6919838">Really?20th level wizard with 8 con and no investment in hp has on average what - using fixed HP option 5+19x3 or 62 hp. What's the single turn output of say a 20th level battle master or EK or Elven Archer with maxed stats and expected gear? As you observe a one turn assault from a fighter with main weapons has decent chance to ko wizard at 1st vs first. But at with vs a wizard who made just as many HP crippling choices as you put forth for your fighter wisdom saves, are the results that much different? Action surge at 20th is what 8 attacks? 2d6+5 reroll 1-2s. Then add in superiority dice or other class/sub-class outputs? How many rounds to hit 62? But as others have said, as well as the designers, D&amp;D is built as z team gsme, not a solo game, and there tends to be more vo- op ways to raise saves than DCs readily available through class features. Maybe it's not the game you want, sure. Maybe you want solo death match SSM Arena&nbsp; 5e, sure. But that's more &quot;change&quot; than &quot;fix&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="5ekyu, post: 7634027, member: 6919838"] Really? 20th level wizard with 8 con and no investment in hp has on average what - using fixed HP option 5+19x3 or 62 hp. What's the single turn output of say a 20th level battle master or EK or Elven Archer with maxed stats and expected gear? As you observe a one turn assault from a fighter with main weapons has decent chance to ko wizard at 1st vs first. But at with vs a wizard who made just as many HP crippling choices as you put forth for your fighter wisdom saves, are the results that much different? Action surge at 20th is what 8 attacks? 2d6+5 reroll 1-2s. Then add in superiority dice or other class/sub-class outputs? How many rounds to hit 62? But as others have said, as well as the designers, D&D is built as z team gsme, not a solo game, and there tends to be more vo- op ways to raise saves than DCs readily available through class features. Maybe it's not the game you want, sure. Maybe you want solo death match SSM Arena 5e, sure. But that's more "change" than "fix". [/QUOTE]

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