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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Terramotus" data-source="post: 4083571" data-attributes="member: 7220">It's not the randomness, it's the shortness.  Off the top of my head, here's some things you probably can't do with durations that end with a save.  None of these uses seem like rituals to me either.*Incapacitate a gate guard without killing him so that he can't open the gate to allow more enemies in while you make good your escape.*Incapacitate or slow a fleeing NPC who leaves a ton of thugs to block you so you can catch him after dealing with the thugs.*Kidnap the feisty damsel who doesn't know what kind of danger she's in without beating her her senseless.*Blind or otherwise incapacitate a lookout while entering stealthily into a fortress.*Charm a guard into opening a complex series of locks or doors.And that's just for starters.  Sure, you can accomplish all of these things with good 'ol murder, but sometimes you don't want that.  Not everything is about all-out combat.  Many of these problems might be mitigated with a 4E save that wasn't just a 55% chance of negating, since many of these scenarios might have a target who's lower level than the party.True enough.  This has just got me extremely worried, since I've liked practically everything else I've heard about 4E.  Depending on how this is handled, it could be a total deal-breaker for 4E magic for me. Which sucks.  I thought we weren't going to have to worry about durations, not that they'd practically be removed.</blockquote>

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