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<blockquote data-quote="Ainamacar" data-source="post: 6327787" data-attributes="member: 70709">While it would have been nice if saves could be spread evenly around, it looks to me that the designers have mostly given up on that.&nbsp; I think we might simply see that all classes give save proficiencies in pairs: a &quot;primary&quot; one and a &quot;secondary&quot; one, something which is true so far for the basic classes.&nbsp; While the individual saves might not have equal value, proficiencies given out in these pairs will be of approximately equal value for characters.&nbsp; The ability scores themselves would not be equally valuable with respect to saves, so there would be greater ability to dump some than others.&nbsp; That said, the mere fact that a secondary save exists and could be used occasionally makes the incentives quite a bit different than the traditional dump stat that can be dumped with absolutely no ill effect.&nbsp; Dumping really isn't an issue with the standard array or point buy anyway since the minimum is 8.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ainamacar, post: 6327787, member: 70709"] While it would have been nice if saves could be spread evenly around, it looks to me that the designers have mostly given up on that. I think we might simply see that all classes give save proficiencies in pairs: a "primary" one and a "secondary" one, something which is true so far for the basic classes. While the individual saves might not have equal value, proficiencies given out in these pairs will be of approximately equal value for characters. The ability scores themselves would not be equally valuable with respect to saves, so there would be greater ability to dump some than others. That said, the mere fact that a secondary save exists and [I]could[/I] be used occasionally makes the incentives quite a bit different than the traditional dump stat that can be dumped with absolutely no ill effect. Dumping really isn't an issue with the standard array or point buy anyway since the minimum is 8. [/QUOTE]

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