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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8728224" data-attributes="member: 67338">I mean you can argue that having diffrent stats give you a chance to suprise someone... but odds are what every array you have (pre gen or rolled randomly) your top stat is going to your attack stat (str or dex for fighters) your second to con and you are prof in str and con.. so even let assume teh most lucky rolls and after race you get&nbsp; 18,17,15,15,13,12 and the stat bumps go for all 3 over the 11 levels so 20 18 16 16 14 12 and you put them in a slightly odd order12 str 20 dex 16 Con 14 Int 16 wis 18 cha that still nets you (again with the magic cloak +1 eating an attunement slot)&nbsp; str +6&nbsp; dex +7&nbsp; con +8 Int +3 wis +4 cha +5&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; pretty amazing saves and against the 17 (still not giving that wizard the 18 you started with though, nor a magic item) you end up with str 50/50&nbsp; dex 55/45&nbsp; con 60/40 int 35/65&nbsp; wis 40/60 cha 45/55&nbsp;&nbsp; so targeting the warrior not in heavy armor in str, int or wis still isn't 50/50 and the cha (that you called out) just bearly better then it</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 8728224, member: 67338"] I mean you can argue that having diffrent stats give you a chance to suprise someone... but odds are what every array you have (pre gen or rolled randomly) your top stat is going to your attack stat (str or dex for fighters) your second to con and you are prof in str and con.. so even let assume teh most lucky rolls and after race you get 18,17,15,15,13,12 and the stat bumps go for all 3 over the 11 levels so 20 18 16 16 14 12 and you put them in a slightly odd order 12 str 20 dex 16 Con 14 Int 16 wis 18 cha that still nets you (again with the magic cloak +1 eating an attunement slot) str +6 dex +7 con +8 Int +3 wis +4 cha +5 pretty amazing saves and against the 17 (still not giving that wizard the 18 you started with though, nor a magic item) you end up with str 50/50 dex 55/45 con 60/40 int 35/65 wis 40/60 cha 45/55 so targeting the warrior not in heavy armor in str, int or wis still isn't 50/50 and the cha (that you called out) just bearly better then it [/QUOTE]

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