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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8728280" data-attributes="member: 67338">variance of concept...in 4e I saw SOOO many fighters, and warlords and rangers and rogues... we had multi campaigns were adding togather we had 1 or 2 of what we would call a spell caster now (so druid, wizads, swordmage, bard ect) but now it's all I see.&nbsp; Infact in the last 4 campaings Between me as a player and me as a DM we had 1 rogue (multi classed with ranger and sorcerer) and 2 fighter dips 1 took 2 levels for action surge 1 took 3 for action surge and +1 caster level) of those 4 campaigns we did&nbsp;&nbsp; up to 9th level, then well up into epic+, then 14th level and the last one that ended was at 10th... so in 53 levels of play less then 1/5th of them were fighter or rogue and even then 1 of the fighters was an eldritch knight caster.in that time I have seen 4 hexblades 2 blade singers, 1 college of swords 1 college of valor bards and 2 clerics that got a 2nd attack... those were are melee characters (TBF 1 of those blade singers is also the eldritch knight we got to 14th level he was a 11/3 wizard/fighter)in the current game I play in we are all artificers in 1 and we have 1 non caster in the other (straight rogue thief and he keeps complaining 'why can't I get some of those cool toys' and he is new to D&amp;D but not rpgs)in the 2 current ones I run I have 1 party of&nbsp; hexblade druid cleric warlock/bard and 1 party of hexblade warlock clericboth games the hexblades are refluffed as fighters in story but useing the hexblade mechanic so they can get spells to refluff as trained maneuversI don't want my fighter to cast the exact same spell a wizard does (or eldritch knight would be the fix) I want my fighter to get options every level that are on par with but diffrent then spells</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 8728280, member: 67338"] variance of concept... in 4e I saw SOOO many fighters, and warlords and rangers and rogues... we had multi campaigns were adding togather we had 1 or 2 of what we would call a spell caster now (so druid, wizads, swordmage, bard ect) but now it's all I see. Infact in the last 4 campaings Between me as a player and me as a DM we had 1 rogue (multi classed with ranger and sorcerer) and 2 fighter dips 1 took 2 levels for action surge 1 took 3 for action surge and +1 caster level) of those 4 campaigns we did up to 9th level, then well up into epic+, then 14th level and the last one that ended was at 10th... so in 53 levels of play less then 1/5th of them were fighter or rogue and even then 1 of the fighters was an eldritch knight caster. in that time I have seen 4 hexblades 2 blade singers, 1 college of swords 1 college of valor bards and 2 clerics that got a 2nd attack... those were are melee characters (TBF 1 of those blade singers is also the eldritch knight we got to 14th level he was a 11/3 wizard/fighter) in the current game I play in we are all artificers in 1 and we have 1 non caster in the other (straight rogue thief and he keeps complaining 'why can't I get some of those cool toys' and he is new to D&D but not rpgs) in the 2 current ones I run I have 1 party of hexblade druid cleric warlock/bard and 1 party of hexblade warlock cleric both games the hexblades are refluffed as fighters in story but useing the hexblade mechanic so they can get spells to refluff as trained maneuvers I don't want my fighter to cast the exact same spell a wizard does (or eldritch knight would be the fix) I want my fighter to get options every level that are on par with but diffrent then spells [/QUOTE]

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