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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 8729600" data-attributes="member: 6790260">They do not.Only saving throws which are either (a) based on statistics the character improves via opt-in ASIs, or (b) Proficient get better.Non-proficient saves do not change. At all. They do not get better, nor do they get worse.That's not what's being asked for. If non-proficient, non-primary saves do not advance, then when the party takes on bigger, badder threats, those areas become greater and greater weaknesses over time. This is a fact.Whether you wish to phrase it as &quot;non-proficient secondary/tertiary saves fall behind as players face greater threats&quot; or &quot;threats increase in power but non-proficient secondary/tertiary saves don't,&quot; you get the same result: an enemy that inflicts an Intelligence save at level 20 is going to be much more effective (and dangerous) against most PCs than an enemy that inflicts an intelligence save at level 1, even though the same kind of save is being called for.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 8729600, member: 6790260"] They do not. Only saving throws which are either (a) based on statistics the character improves via opt-in ASIs, or (b) Proficient get better. Non-proficient saves [I]do not change[/I]. At all. They do not get better, nor do they get worse. That's not what's being asked for. If non-proficient, non-primary saves do not advance, then when the party takes on bigger, badder threats, those areas become greater and greater weaknesses over time. This is a fact. Whether you wish to phrase it as "non-proficient secondary/tertiary saves [I]fall behind[/I] as players face greater threats" or "threats increase in power but non-proficient secondary/tertiary saves don't," you get the same result: an enemy that inflicts an Intelligence save at level 20 is going to be much more effective (and dangerous) against most PCs than an enemy that inflicts an intelligence save at level 1, even though the same kind of save is being called for. [/QUOTE]

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