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<blockquote data-quote="ruleslawyer" data-source="post: 3204507" data-attributes="member: 1757">Except that it's not supposed to be torture, any more than using Diplomacy to convince an evil creature to see the error of its ways is supposed to be forced brainwashing or browbeating (that's what Intimidate is for). Presumably, the Sanctify the Wicked spell simply purges evil from its target's nature, causing it to see the light and become good at heart. It's not &quot;mindrape.&quot; The issues with this sort of thing presumably come from analogy to the real world, where changing someone's mind without his or her consent is considered... well, evil. But the real world doesn't feature Good and Evil as abstractions. It's a reflexivity problem; that which is done for Good ends using Good in D&amp;D must be good (small &quot;g&quot;). There is, for example, no way by the alignment standards of D&amp;D to say that a choice between Good and Evil is better than an enforcement of Good. It would be like saying (to use a pretty silly analogy, but I can't think of anything better right now) that a choice between charity work and child molestation is a good idea.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ruleslawyer, post: 3204507, member: 1757"] Except that it's not supposed to be torture, any more than using Diplomacy to convince an evil creature to see the error of its ways is supposed to be forced brainwashing or browbeating (that's what Intimidate is for). Presumably, the Sanctify the Wicked spell simply purges evil from its target's nature, causing it to see the light and become good at heart. It's not "mindrape." The issues with this sort of thing presumably come from analogy to the real world, where changing someone's mind without his or her consent is considered... well, evil. But the real world doesn't feature Good and Evil as abstractions. It's a reflexivity problem; that which is done for Good ends using Good in D&D must be good (small "g"). There is, for example, no way by the alignment standards of D&D to say that a choice between Good and Evil is better than an enforcement of Good. It would be like saying (to use a pretty silly analogy, but I can't think of anything better right now) that a choice between charity work and child molestation is a good idea. [/QUOTE]

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