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Say if I'm a paladin can I get a demon cohort?
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<blockquote data-quote="LordVyreth" data-source="post: 3205285" data-attributes="member: 9626"><p>I was just about to add that if I was running a high level game and the player wanted a fiend cohort who wasn't a succubus or erinyes, I'd allow it just because it's a refreshing change of pace. </p><p></p><p>In general, I wouldn't have much problem with a redeemed fiend. There have been plenty of fallen celestials (see, among others, the erinyes,) and while I can see the fire elemental comparison, I don't think it applies. They're not really made of evil; they're made of flesh, blood, bones, and other stuff that makes the party's rogue still useful and the fighter not regret using a rapier. Whether they have sufficient free will to make that decision is another story. I can understand why people have trouble with spells like Sanctify the Wicked, though frankly if you're willing to go that route, wouldn't it be easier to just bind them, throw a few mind fogs into the room and toss on Helms of Opposite Alignment until it sticks? It certainly beats losing a level. In terms of moral justification, I can only see it as a valid thing if the paladin or whatnot had justification to kill the fiend anyway (usually not that hard,) and offers it as a last resort to avoid destruction. After all, the last Dragon had Wee Jas turning a succubus lawful evil, and that's as much an anathema to them as an evil/good conversion.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="LordVyreth, post: 3205285, member: 9626"] I was just about to add that if I was running a high level game and the player wanted a fiend cohort who wasn't a succubus or erinyes, I'd allow it just because it's a refreshing change of pace. In general, I wouldn't have much problem with a redeemed fiend. There have been plenty of fallen celestials (see, among others, the erinyes,) and while I can see the fire elemental comparison, I don't think it applies. They're not really made of evil; they're made of flesh, blood, bones, and other stuff that makes the party's rogue still useful and the fighter not regret using a rapier. Whether they have sufficient free will to make that decision is another story. I can understand why people have trouble with spells like Sanctify the Wicked, though frankly if you're willing to go that route, wouldn't it be easier to just bind them, throw a few mind fogs into the room and toss on Helms of Opposite Alignment until it sticks? It certainly beats losing a level. In terms of moral justification, I can only see it as a valid thing if the paladin or whatnot had justification to kill the fiend anyway (usually not that hard,) and offers it as a last resort to avoid destruction. After all, the last Dragon had Wee Jas turning a succubus lawful evil, and that's as much an anathema to them as an evil/good conversion. [/QUOTE]
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