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<blockquote data-quote="HeapThaumaturgist" data-source="post: 2881870" data-attributes="member: 12332">What he said.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Essentially it comes down to this ... I sucks.&nbsp; Across the board.&nbsp; X is usually better than the PCs can do before equipment, across the board.It SHOULD work that if you give an NPC a I in everything and a X in Hit Points, he's going to be just as much a push over as if you gave him IIs and a III in everything.&nbsp; I.E. each of the stats should be about equal (though, in general, I would say competence and resilience are on the low end of equal and Damage Save/VPWP/Hit Points are on the top end of equal).IV, V, and VI do give PCish numbers ... VII and VIII give rather optimized PC numbers.&nbsp; IX and X average a bit higher than that.&nbsp; I would give III, II, and I only to people you want to be &quot;poor&quot; in those areas.&nbsp; I should be &quot;abysmal&quot;.Thus the &quot;bystander&quot; is abysmal at anything remotely adventurish ... Init, Atk, Def, etc ... but he's a guy that does something, so his Competence is up enough that he could probably make some sort of skill check.I gave the Dragon above a low Init and Def rating because I wanted it to be &quot;clumsy and lumbering&quot;.&nbsp; Instead of lowering the Dex and having to refigure those numbers, I just started low on the charts.&nbsp; Judgement call.&nbsp; I gave it huge Hit Points and didn't mess with Constitution, because I wanted it to have lots of hit points.&nbsp; It SHOULD work that if you give them mostly low numbers they'll be easier ... and the numbers will add up to a lower CR adjustment and thus the overall CR will be &quot;easier&quot;, even if one or numbers are quite a big higher.--fje</blockquote>

[QUOTE="HeapThaumaturgist, post: 2881870, member: 12332"] What he said. :) Essentially it comes down to this ... I sucks. Across the board. X is usually better than the PCs can do before equipment, across the board. It SHOULD work that if you give an NPC a I in everything and a X in Hit Points, he's going to be just as much a push over as if you gave him IIs and a III in everything. I.E. each of the stats should be about equal (though, in general, I would say competence and resilience are on the low end of equal and Damage Save/VPWP/Hit Points are on the top end of equal). IV, V, and VI do give PCish numbers ... VII and VIII give rather optimized PC numbers. IX and X average a bit higher than that. I would give III, II, and I only to people you want to be "poor" in those areas. I should be "abysmal". Thus the "bystander" is abysmal at anything remotely adventurish ... Init, Atk, Def, etc ... but he's a guy that does something, so his Competence is up enough that he could probably make some sort of skill check. I gave the Dragon above a low Init and Def rating because I wanted it to be "clumsy and lumbering". Instead of lowering the Dex and having to refigure those numbers, I just started low on the charts. Judgement call. I gave it huge Hit Points and didn't mess with Constitution, because I wanted it to have lots of hit points. It SHOULD work that if you give them mostly low numbers they'll be easier ... and the numbers will add up to a lower CR adjustment and thus the overall CR will be "easier", even if one or numbers are quite a big higher. --fje [/QUOTE]

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