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<blockquote data-quote="Shadowdweller00" data-source="post: 6800405" data-attributes="member: 6778479"><p>Wrong. I made no fewer than three references to the 5e text in post #30.</p><p></p><p>Wrong. Many editions contain slightly different wording to describe concepts that are consistent between them. That is why examination of previous editions is worthwhile. </p><p></p><p>The relevant passage has been quoted many times now. "Pierced or torn" has no explicit or implied qualifier that would keep it from applying to the bag's interior. Your counterassertion is a straight up fabrication; which you continue to refuse any substantiation of. </p><p></p><p>You did manage one previous reference to the HHH description regarding artifacts turning up again, but you got the meaning of that statement wrong as well.</p><p>Wrong. There are many examples (well...several anyway) of objects, creatures, and effects spanning or affecting different planes of existence at the same time. Bags of Devouring can literally pull a creature from one dimension into another. Other examples include Ghosts (creature) - albeit only visually, Force Cage (spell), Astral Projection (Spell). The 5e description of both the Bag of Holding and Heward's Handy Haversack both directly contradict your assertion that the interior is not really part of the bag. Neither mention being merely a portal.</p><p></p><p>The descriptions do NOT say that the respective bags connect to an extradimensional space, let alone some impenetrable internal vault. The interior space OF THE BAG is larger than its exterior. The haversack's pouches ARE extradimensional spaces.</p><p></p><p>Since I have witnessed little understanding of my arguments, no understanding of the text, and no willingness to substantiate your claims, I see little point to continuing discussion with you. Probably to the intense cheering of those innocent bystanders forced to endure this excessively snarky tangent.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Shadowdweller00, post: 6800405, member: 6778479"] Wrong. I made no fewer than three references to the 5e text in post #30. Wrong. Many editions contain slightly different wording to describe concepts that are consistent between them. That is why examination of previous editions is worthwhile. The relevant passage has been quoted many times now. "Pierced or torn" has no explicit or implied qualifier that would keep it from applying to the bag's interior. Your counterassertion is a straight up fabrication; which you continue to refuse any substantiation of. You did manage one previous reference to the HHH description regarding artifacts turning up again, but you got the meaning of that statement wrong as well. Wrong. There are many examples (well...several anyway) of objects, creatures, and effects spanning or affecting different planes of existence at the same time. Bags of Devouring can literally pull a creature from one dimension into another. Other examples include Ghosts (creature) - albeit only visually, Force Cage (spell), Astral Projection (Spell). The 5e description of both the Bag of Holding and Heward's Handy Haversack both directly contradict your assertion that the interior is not really part of the bag. Neither mention being merely a portal. The descriptions do NOT say that the respective bags connect to an extradimensional space, let alone some impenetrable internal vault. The interior space OF THE BAG is larger than its exterior. The haversack's pouches ARE extradimensional spaces. Since I have witnessed little understanding of my arguments, no understanding of the text, and no willingness to substantiate your claims, I see little point to continuing discussion with you. Probably to the intense cheering of those innocent bystanders forced to endure this excessively snarky tangent. [/QUOTE]
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