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<blockquote data-quote="green slime" data-source="post: 145611" data-attributes="member: 1325">Well, I'll admit I just threw those out of the top of my hat while sitting at work and looking at sleep. But I DO have other comments regarding Al's comparisons...While sleeping you are Helpless, which means you are in for summary execution, if you are in the middle of a combat. I'd rather my character took 10 hp damage per round than have a 9th level fighter wander up and CDG him. I'm against save or die spells, and I don't see many other spells of that level that cause save or die effects to on average 3-4 characters of your level. The idea isn't to insta-kill/take care of the majority of opponents one has, but as a spell to HUMANELY take care of large hordes of low level adversaries, that, for one reason or another, shouldn't be mercilessly slaughtered.Suggestion has the qualifier (and therefore even Mass Suggestion) that:&quot;The suggestion must be worded in such a manner as to make the activity sound reasonable.&quot;Going to sleep while engaged in combat or faced with a potentially hostile situation seems rather UNreasonable to me.SO onward to potential fixes:Raise the Greater Sleep's No-save to 4HD or less.Perhaps adding a slow effect to those of higher level in the area of effect?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="green slime, post: 145611, member: 1325"] Well, I'll admit I just threw those out of the top of my hat while sitting at work and looking at [i]sleep[/i]. But I DO have other comments regarding Al's comparisons... While sleeping you are Helpless, which means you are in for summary execution, if you are in the middle of a combat. I'd rather my character took 10 hp damage per round than have a 9th level fighter wander up and CDG him. I'm against save or die spells, and I don't see many other spells of that level that cause save or die effects to on average 3-4 characters of your level. The idea isn't to insta-kill/take care of the majority of opponents one has, but as a spell to HUMANELY take care of large hordes of low level adversaries, that, for one reason or another, shouldn't be mercilessly slaughtered. Suggestion has the qualifier (and therefore even [i]Mass Suggestion[/i]) that: "The suggestion must be worded in such a manner as to make the activity sound reasonable." Going to sleep while engaged in combat or faced with a potentially hostile situation seems rather UNreasonable to me. SO onward to potential fixes: Raise the [i]Greater Sleep[/i]'s No-save to 4HD or less. Perhaps adding a [i]slow[/i] effect to those of higher level in the area of effect? [/QUOTE]

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