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<blockquote data-quote="Endur" data-source="post: 5857760" data-attributes="member: 3346">I agree that the DMG makes the obvious comment that lots of low levels may not be a match for a single high level.&nbsp; But that question is the point of this thread, so that's why I made the comment that I did.With regards to your EL predication comment.&nbsp; You are absolutely correct.&nbsp; But I am also right.&nbsp; The thing to remember is that EL=party level is not a fair fight.&nbsp; EL=party level is a fight the party should win, losing 20% or less of their resources.&nbsp; EL +4 is a fair fight, where either side should have a 50-50 chance of winning.&nbsp; EL +5 is a situation where the monsters should win.Assuming your party has four tenth level pcs,&nbsp; A party four tenth level opposing characters would be EL 14 (or EL 10 +4).So going back to the original EL calculations, how many 1st level characters would be a fair fight for a level 10 character.&nbsp; EL starts at 10 for the 10th level character.&nbsp; Move it down to EL 6 for single character instead of party of four.&nbsp; Move it back up to EL 10 for a fair fight (EL +4).&nbsp; Then do the math for multiple EL 1 opposing characters.&nbsp; (start at 1 for EL 1, then double the number of characters and add 2 to the EL, brings you to 16 1st level characters at EL 9.&nbsp; Estimate 24 1st levels at EL 10).&nbsp; Again, though, this is just the math system that the DMG recommends.&nbsp; They point out as you say that this may overestimate or underestimate the EL for a party, especially in the situation of lots of low EL creatures.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Endur, post: 5857760, member: 3346"] I agree that the DMG makes the obvious comment that lots of low levels may not be a match for a single high level. But that question is the point of this thread, so that's why I made the comment that I did. With regards to your EL predication comment. You are absolutely correct. But I am also right. The thing to remember is that EL=party level is not a fair fight. EL=party level is a fight the party should win, losing 20% or less of their resources. EL +4 is a fair fight, where either side should have a 50-50 chance of winning. EL +5 is a situation where the monsters should win. Assuming your party has four tenth level pcs, A party four tenth level opposing characters would be EL 14 (or EL 10 +4). So going back to the original EL calculations, how many 1st level characters would be a fair fight for a level 10 character. EL starts at 10 for the 10th level character. Move it down to EL 6 for single character instead of party of four. Move it back up to EL 10 for a fair fight (EL +4). Then do the math for multiple EL 1 opposing characters. (start at 1 for EL 1, then double the number of characters and add 2 to the EL, brings you to 16 1st level characters at EL 9. Estimate 24 1st levels at EL 10). Again, though, this is just the math system that the DMG recommends. They point out as you say that this may overestimate or underestimate the EL for a party, especially in the situation of lots of low EL creatures. [/QUOTE]

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