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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sadrik" data-source="post: 6007150" data-attributes="member: 14506">I agree and this has got to be a function of re-leveling some of the more powerful effects. Late in 3e I creating my own spell progression charts, making new spell levels attained every 3rd level instead of every 2nd level.For instance:Instead of new spell levels attained at 1/3/5/7/9/11/etc they were gained at 1/3/6/9/12/15/etc which was more like the 2e spell charts. This effectively pushed 8th and 9th level spells into 21st level plus. I also boosted up the number of spells received so that casters had the same number of spells castable, just not as high of level. This was a very effective strategy as 5th level spells are generally the game breakers and they do not arrive until 12th level as opposed to 9th level.</blockquote>