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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ptolemy18" data-source="post: 3766180" data-attributes="member: 24970">This is a very good point. All things being equal, I don't mind wizards' combat abilities being nerfed slightly and fighters' combat abilities going up. I'm more concerned about wizards retaining their iconic high-power abilities that don't necessarily directly effect the combat field. If a wizard is only able to Polymorph a bound & helpless opponent into a frog, fine -- they still have the ability to Polymorph an opponent into a frog, and maybe keep them in a cage or something, that's the important part in the end, because that's kind of stuff wizards are made of. Along with the other stuff you mention -- the divinations, the enchantment and mind control, the illusions, the creating things and summoning and controlling plants and animals (whoops, now I'm slipping into druids), the flying and teleporting... really, if the wizard can do all this, but can't do quite as many damage dice per round in combat, that's fine.  Anyway, that's fine. But maybe I'm just being pessimistic, but my fear is that 4E is shaping up to be so combat-centric... based on all the limited rumors and so forth, of course... is that in the end, wizards' powers will in fact be centered mostly around combat (as will all characters' powers) and they will lose all the weird and high-end powers which require DM adjudication but don't necessarily directly deal damage on the combat grid. I'm basically worried that, in 4E, every class except fighters is going to simply become a sucky, half-assed fighter with a few tricks. i.e. "The fighter strikes with his sword every round and can use a Maneuver every encounter... the wizard blasts with his mage strike every round and can use a Fireball every encounter." Sounds... uh... uninspiring. @_@</blockquote>

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