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<blockquote data-quote="Grraf" data-source="post: 276551" data-attributes="member: 3791">yesDon't get the Gazateer. The hardcover is so much more worth it.While the supplements are great they aren't essential. The setting has a strong theme and things are much more clearly organizeda round the theme. It makes the setting more interesting/meaningful that Kalamar and more coherent and rational than FR (in my humble opinion).While there are a bunch of unnessessary prestige classes the books so big you forget they're back there.Whe people say gritty what they mean (I think) is that there are very few places in the world that are &quot;doing well normally&quot;. There are a number of evil places that are thriving (nation of Evil slavers, aquisitive kingdom run by dark king), neutralish places that are thriving through weirdness (the city of necromancers, a city protected by suits of armor animated by good warriors souls)and good places which are under seige or recovering (vesh, burok torn, Mithril, etc.).Whole chunks of the continent are covered in dangerous terrain and the oceans aren't much better.Just about every nation (and many groups') primary goal is survival. Their secondary goals are things like protecting people like me who live nearby. There is a complex element of politics going on but its got that post-apoclypic element to it.ONE MAJOR IRRITATION: The Gelspaad races adjustments aren't in the book! You have to pick up the DMs Screen. While I have it and I actually use the screen this is unacceptable bordering on criminal.Its compounded by the races being neat and quite well done.ijou</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Grraf, post: 276551, member: 3791"] [b]yes[/b] Don't get the Gazateer. The hardcover is so much more worth it. While the supplements are great they aren't essential. The setting has a strong theme and things are much more clearly organizeda round the theme. It makes the setting more interesting/meaningful that Kalamar and more coherent and rational than FR (in my humble opinion). While there are a bunch of unnessessary prestige classes the books so big you forget they're back there. Whe people say gritty what they mean (I think) is that there are very few places in the world that are "doing well normally". There are a number of evil places that are thriving (nation of Evil slavers, aquisitive kingdom run by dark king), neutralish places that are thriving through weirdness (the city of necromancers, a city protected by suits of armor animated by good warriors souls)and good places which are under seige or recovering (vesh, burok torn, Mithril, etc.). Whole chunks of the continent are covered in dangerous terrain and the oceans aren't much better. Just about every nation (and many groups') primary goal is survival. Their secondary goals are things like protecting people like me who live nearby. There is a complex element of politics going on but its got that post-apoclypic element to it. ONE MAJOR IRRITATION: The Gelspaad races adjustments aren't in the book! You have to pick up the DMs Screen. While I have it and I actually use the screen this is unacceptable bordering on criminal. Its compounded by the races being neat and quite well done. ijou [/QUOTE]

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