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<blockquote data-quote="Gizzard" data-source="post: 993931" data-attributes="member: 527">Ah, the first Monk Sucks / Monk Rules thread of 3.5E.&nbsp; The debate continues....&nbsp; ;-)&nbsp;The special abilities were not all that special and the Monk was straightjacketed into them.&nbsp; While the Fighter could choose the Feats that have proven to be uber level after level, the Monk could ... um ... Deflect Arrows and .... um ... be immune to disease?&nbsp; The Saves were nice, though a point or three of superiority over other classes isn't as continuously useful as being able to fight well - ie, you save once or twice a combat, you swing every round.&nbsp; SR was way too high a level to be useful to most Monks.&nbsp;I think this was the biggest sign to me that the Monk was screwed up.&nbsp; The Monk's class attributes were Wisdom and DEX, but some people championed the idea that a high STR Monk was the way to go.&nbsp; Personally, I couldn't believe that such a build would be better than a similar Fighter - after all you degrade all your DEX based class abilities in order to do more damage.&nbsp; Why not just be a Fighter where you can really focus on STR and not worry about DEX?-edit-clarified tense to refer to 3E Monk only</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gizzard, post: 993931, member: 527"] Ah, the first Monk Sucks / Monk Rules thread of 3.5E. The debate continues.... ;-) The special abilities were not all that special [i]and[/i] the Monk was straightjacketed into them. While the Fighter could choose the Feats that have proven to be uber level after level, the Monk could ... um ... Deflect Arrows and .... um ... be immune to disease? The Saves were nice, though a point or three of superiority over other classes isn't as continuously useful as being able to fight well - ie, you save once or twice a combat, you swing every round. SR was way too high a level to be useful to most Monks. I think this was the biggest sign to me that the Monk was screwed up. The Monk's class attributes were Wisdom and DEX, but some people championed the idea that a high STR Monk was the way to go. Personally, I couldn't believe that such a build would be better than a similar Fighter - after all you degrade [i]all[/i] your DEX based class abilities in order to do more damage. Why not just be a Fighter where you can really focus on STR and not worry about DEX? -edit- clarified tense to refer to 3E Monk only [/QUOTE]

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