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<blockquote data-quote="Vraal" data-source="post: 8771898" data-attributes="member: 7037837">Firstly, I've been lurking on these boards for six months or so and this has drawn me out, what a great thread, very interesting points, everybody.Secondly, actually on topic:&nbsp; I definitely hide things from my players, and there's definitely an intention for those secrets to become open, but there's no set point at which I've arranged for that to happen.&nbsp; I have an array of shifting NPCs and scenes and the like in my head and my notes that I can rearrange depending on what the players take interest in, how much interest, and when they take that interest.In sort of the inverse to the vampire patron example, I had a PC hire an apprentice alchemist who was secretly a werewolf.&nbsp; I knew he was a werewolf when they were doing the job interviews, and I knew that later on down the line there might be a werewolf-related plot he could be involved in, but he could have been revealed as a werewolf as early as the job interview, his first appearance, if the PC had asked the right questions or investigated thoroughly enough.If this robs me of a &quot;cool reveal&quot; later on, I don't think that matters.&nbsp; I'm the DM, I can just make more secrets.&nbsp; The players feel clever and good for finding something out, they get whatever advantages come with that, and we carry on.&nbsp; The game I run now is flexible enough to accommodate that sort of shifting, though it did take some trial and error in the early days to get it to this point.I suppose for me that's the distinction between &quot;discovery&quot; and &quot;reveal&quot;, as previously mentioned.&nbsp; Do the players actually have a chance to work this secret out before the story gets to the &quot;correct spot&quot; for it?&nbsp; If not, then I think that's a reveal.&nbsp; I know I'd rather play, and run, with discovery.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Vraal, post: 8771898, member: 7037837"] Firstly, I've been lurking on these boards for six months or so and this has drawn me out, what a great thread, very interesting points, everybody. Secondly, actually on topic: I definitely hide things from my players, and there's definitely an intention for those secrets to become open, but there's no set point at which I've arranged for that to happen. I have an array of shifting NPCs and scenes and the like in my head and my notes that I can rearrange depending on what the players take interest in, how much interest, and when they take that interest. In sort of the inverse to the vampire patron example, I had a PC hire an apprentice alchemist who was secretly a werewolf. I knew he was a werewolf when they were doing the job interviews, and I knew that later on down the line there might be a werewolf-related plot he could be involved in, but he could have been revealed as a werewolf as early as the job interview, his first appearance, if the PC had asked the right questions or investigated thoroughly enough. If this robs me of a "cool reveal" later on, I don't think that matters. I'm the DM, I can just make more secrets. The players feel clever and good for finding something out, they get whatever advantages come with that, and we carry on. The game I run now is flexible enough to accommodate that sort of shifting, though it did take some trial and error in the early days to get it to this point. I suppose for me that's the distinction between "discovery" and "reveal", as previously mentioned. Do the players actually have a chance to work this secret out before the story gets to the "correct spot" for it? If not, then I think that's a reveal. I know I'd rather play, and run, with discovery. [/QUOTE]

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