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<blockquote data-quote="HighlandsBear" data-source="post: 1553438" data-attributes="member: 12406"><p>- The ranger version just says he can hide while being observed. </p><p>- The shadowdancer version say this and that he can do it without anything to actually hide behind.</p><p>- Light rules state that you must be invisible or have cover to hide from a darkvision character.</p><p>- In the hide skill it says that you cannot hide if you are being observed, but if you get behind cover or make a distraction you can.</p><p></p><p>To me the HiPS rule is directed at the restriction of the hide rules which also uses the word observed. And since darkvision is not usually effected by shadows shouldn't the HiPS rule specifically mention that it has this added bonus feature for us to assume that it does? Would something that uses the hide skill and doesn't mention magical invisibility somehow be granted that power? Perhaps the shadows are magically made into solid cover, or a concealment that darkvision can't penetrate. Well in each of these cases, what does the darkvision character see then? Does HiPS somehow make the shadowdancer invisible and thus the darkvision character just sees a whole hallway? Or does he see a normal hallway and then one black spot of shadows he just can't see through? I don't require total realism but this is a stretch. The dwarf scratchs his head and says to himself: "I can see the whole room except that strange shadow to the side of me. I wonder where that crazy rogue could've gone? I guess I'll go get some Ale at the --- AAHHHGGG!" Could a person with see invisibility find the shadowdancer? If not then you are saying that its neither a magical invisibility or a mundane hide skill. That would require a new state that is neither hiding or invisible. This is nonsensical and since HiPS isn't clearly granted the power to escape darkvision I just wouldn't allow it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="HighlandsBear, post: 1553438, member: 12406"] - The ranger version just says he can hide while being observed. - The shadowdancer version say this and that he can do it without anything to actually hide behind. - Light rules state that you must be invisible or have cover to hide from a darkvision character. - In the hide skill it says that you cannot hide if you are being observed, but if you get behind cover or make a distraction you can. To me the HiPS rule is directed at the restriction of the hide rules which also uses the word observed. And since darkvision is not usually effected by shadows shouldn't the HiPS rule specifically mention that it has this added bonus feature for us to assume that it does? Would something that uses the hide skill and doesn't mention magical invisibility somehow be granted that power? Perhaps the shadows are magically made into solid cover, or a concealment that darkvision can't penetrate. Well in each of these cases, what does the darkvision character see then? Does HiPS somehow make the shadowdancer invisible and thus the darkvision character just sees a whole hallway? Or does he see a normal hallway and then one black spot of shadows he just can't see through? I don't require total realism but this is a stretch. The dwarf scratchs his head and says to himself: "I can see the whole room except that strange shadow to the side of me. I wonder where that crazy rogue could've gone? I guess I'll go get some Ale at the --- AAHHHGGG!" Could a person with see invisibility find the shadowdancer? If not then you are saying that its neither a magical invisibility or a mundane hide skill. That would require a new state that is neither hiding or invisible. This is nonsensical and since HiPS isn't clearly granted the power to escape darkvision I just wouldn't allow it. [/QUOTE]
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