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<blockquote data-quote="Majere" data-source="post: 1554388" data-attributes="member: 13916"><p>Yay that it comes to this:</p><p></p><p>From the SRD:</p><p>"HIDE (DEX; ARMOR CHECK PENALTY)</p><p>Check: Your Hide check is opposed by the Spot check of anyone who might see you. You can move up to one-half your normal speed and hide at no penalty. When moving at a speed greater than one-half but less than your normal speed, you take a –5 penalty. It’s practically impossible (–20 penalty) to hide while attacking, running or charging."</p><p></p><p>You can hide while attacking,running or charging, this include full attacks therefore as a full attack is equivalent to a charge.</p><p></p><p>"You need cover or concealment in order to attempt a Hide check. Total cover or total concealment usually (but not always; see Special, below) obviates the need for a Hide check, since nothing can see you anyway.</p><p>If people are observing you, even casually, you can’t hide."</p><p></p><p>HiPS overcomes both these restrictions</p><p></p><p>"If your observers are momentarily distracted (such as by a Bluff check; see below), though, you can attempt to hide. While the others turn their attention from you, you can attempt a Hide check if you can get to a hiding place of some kind. (As a general guideline, the hiding place has to be within 1 foot per rank you have in Hide.) This check, however, is made at a –10 penalty because you have to move fast."</p><p></p><p>If you have HiPS being observe does not stop you hiding, thus you do not need to make a bluff check to distract them.</p><p></p><p></p><p>"Sniping: If you’ve already successfully hidden at least 10 feet from your target, you can make one ranged attack, then immediately hide again. You take a –20 penalty on your Hide check to conceal yourself after the shot."</p><p></p><p>If you have HiPS you can hide while observed, you dont need to use the sniping action.</p><p></p><p></p><p>"Creating a Diversion to Hide: You can use Bluff to help you hide. A successful Bluff check can give you the momentary diversion you need to attempt a Hide check while people are aware of you."</p><p></p><p>See above</p><p></p><p>"Action: Usually none."</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Majere, post: 1554388, member: 13916"] Yay that it comes to this: From the SRD: "HIDE (DEX; ARMOR CHECK PENALTY) Check: Your Hide check is opposed by the Spot check of anyone who might see you. You can move up to one-half your normal speed and hide at no penalty. When moving at a speed greater than one-half but less than your normal speed, you take a –5 penalty. It’s practically impossible (–20 penalty) to hide while attacking, running or charging." You can hide while attacking,running or charging, this include full attacks therefore as a full attack is equivalent to a charge. "You need cover or concealment in order to attempt a Hide check. Total cover or total concealment usually (but not always; see Special, below) obviates the need for a Hide check, since nothing can see you anyway. If people are observing you, even casually, you can’t hide." HiPS overcomes both these restrictions "If your observers are momentarily distracted (such as by a Bluff check; see below), though, you can attempt to hide. While the others turn their attention from you, you can attempt a Hide check if you can get to a hiding place of some kind. (As a general guideline, the hiding place has to be within 1 foot per rank you have in Hide.) This check, however, is made at a –10 penalty because you have to move fast." If you have HiPS being observe does not stop you hiding, thus you do not need to make a bluff check to distract them. "Sniping: If you’ve already successfully hidden at least 10 feet from your target, you can make one ranged attack, then immediately hide again. You take a –20 penalty on your Hide check to conceal yourself after the shot." If you have HiPS you can hide while observed, you dont need to use the sniping action. "Creating a Diversion to Hide: You can use Bluff to help you hide. A successful Bluff check can give you the momentary diversion you need to attempt a Hide check while people are aware of you." See above "Action: Usually none." [/QUOTE]
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