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<blockquote data-quote="Abraxas" data-source="post: 1554585" data-attributes="member: 1266"><p>Another SD and HiPS thread <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> </p><p> </p><p>A couple of things.</p><p> </p><p>1) Hiding while Attacking - this thread has come to the same point of contention on this as the others. Does Hiding while Attacking mean <strong>a) Hiding while using an Attack or Full Attack action </strong>or <strong>b) Hiding in the same round that you make an attack.</strong></p><p> </p><p>If you believe a) is correct then you can make a full round of sneak attacks but suffer the -20 to your hide check or make a single sneak attack and hide as a move action at no penalty but possibly provoke an AoO. If you believe b) is correct you can only make a single sneak attack and then must use a move action to rehide, possibly provoking an AoO.</p><p> </p><p>Hiding is <em>normally part of movement</em> - but not <em>always part of movement.</em> Those that believe b) above is correct seem to hold that movement or a move actionis always needed to hide. I don't.</p><p> </p><p>2)HiPS vs Darkvision - Darkvision is black and white only. When a creature with DV looks at something in shadow what does he see? He sees it as a black and white image. Knowing this he would therefore perceive the shadow even though he can see through it. Shadows do exist for a creature with darkvision, they just don't stop them from seeing clearly in black and white.</p><p></p><p>The HiPS ability states you don't need anything to hide behind and you don't actually have to be in shadow - so how exactly does darkvision negate the ability to use HiPS?</p><p></p><p>Abilities like this aren't based on the perception of others - Analogy: If I cast protection from evil - and the insane chaotic evil cultist believes completely that he is good - it still works against him - even though he can't and doesn't perceive himself as evil.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Abraxas, post: 1554585, member: 1266"] Another SD and HiPS thread :D A couple of things. 1) Hiding while Attacking - this thread has come to the same point of contention on this as the others. Does Hiding while Attacking mean [b]a) Hiding while using an Attack or Full Attack action [/b]or [b]b) Hiding in the same round that you make an attack.[/b] If you believe a) is correct then you can make a full round of sneak attacks but suffer the -20 to your hide check or make a single sneak attack and hide as a move action at no penalty but possibly provoke an AoO. If you believe b) is correct you can only make a single sneak attack and then must use a move action to rehide, possibly provoking an AoO. Hiding is [i]normally part of movement[/i] - but not [i]always part of movement.[/i] Those that believe b) above is correct seem to hold that movement or a move actionis always needed to hide. I don't. 2)HiPS vs Darkvision - Darkvision is black and white only. When a creature with DV looks at something in shadow what does he see? He sees it as a black and white image. Knowing this he would therefore perceive the shadow even though he can see through it. Shadows do exist for a creature with darkvision, they just don't stop them from seeing clearly in black and white. The HiPS ability states you don't need anything to hide behind and you don't actually have to be in shadow - so how exactly does darkvision negate the ability to use HiPS? Abilities like this aren't based on the perception of others - Analogy: If I cast protection from evil - and the insane chaotic evil cultist believes completely that he is good - it still works against him - even though he can't and doesn't perceive himself as evil. [/QUOTE]
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