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<blockquote data-quote="Abraxas" data-source="post: 1567406" data-attributes="member: 1266"><p>Just FYI from the 3.5 SRD "<span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">A creature can grope about to find an invisible creature. A character can make a touch attack with his hands or a weapon into two adjacent 5-foot squares using a standard action. If an invisible target is in the designated area, there is a 50% miss chance on the touch attack. If successful, the groping character deals no damage but has successfully pinpointed the invisible creature’s current location." </span>So touch can locate an invisible creature, and IMO should be enough to locate one using HiPS to hide also.</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I believe the possible full melee attacks but not full ranged attacks is due to a less than stellar cut and paste job of material that was out before any attack was normally allowed. I would allow a full ranged attack from cover or while using HiPS.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">As for hiding and grappling being silly - i agree somewhat, but I can visualize it as jumping on someones back and pulling their hood over their eyes. You still know where you assailant is but you can't see every move he makes.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">They've pretty much set up hiding as visual only (although in MCs AU I believe he combined hiding and moving silently into one skill to avoid detection - I think that is an excellent way to go)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I think they should just edit the sniping section to fit the other parts better.</li> </ul><p></p><p>If you look at the other SD and HiPS threads they all end pretty civilly <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Abraxas, post: 1567406, member: 1266"] Just FYI from the 3.5 SRD "[font='Times New Roman']A creature can grope about to find an invisible creature. A character can make a touch attack with his hands or a weapon into two adjacent 5-foot squares using a standard action. If an invisible target is in the designated area, there is a 50% miss chance on the touch attack. If successful, the groping character deals no damage but has successfully pinpointed the invisible creature’s current location." [/font]So touch can locate an invisible creature, and IMO should be enough to locate one using HiPS to hide also. [list] [*]I believe the possible full melee attacks but not full ranged attacks is due to a less than stellar cut and paste job of material that was out before any attack was normally allowed. I would allow a full ranged attack from cover or while using HiPS. [*]As for hiding and grappling being silly - i agree somewhat, but I can visualize it as jumping on someones back and pulling their hood over their eyes. You still know where you assailant is but you can't see every move he makes. [*]They've pretty much set up hiding as visual only (although in MCs AU I believe he combined hiding and moving silently into one skill to avoid detection - I think that is an excellent way to go) [*]I think they should just edit the sniping section to fit the other parts better. [/list] If you look at the other SD and HiPS threads they all end pretty civilly :) [/QUOTE]
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