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Scent, Spot, Listen, Blindsight....as skill checks?
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<blockquote data-quote="Nail" data-source="post: 1440726" data-attributes="member: 224"><p><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>I disagree with the name "awareness". Awareness or perception don't fit the action verb model, nor do they imply the right thing, IMO. Awareness sounds too much like the feat Alertness, in part because of the word form, in part becasue they start with the same letter. Perception might be better, but again sounds like an ability score, like strength, rather than a skill, like notice. In both cases, I'm not sure they mirror the same sort of structure of Spot or Listen.</p><p></p><p>But these are quibbles, really. ...Fun ones, though. I'll be interested to hear how the awareness skill name plays out in-game.</p><p></p><p>"So, have you Awared the bad guy, or not?" "Someone's talking? I try to Aware what they're saying." "Yeah, I failed the check. I can't even Aware my hand in front of my face!" <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>(Besides, if I distract you all with that quibbling, you won't realize how good the rest of DrSpunj's comments are...and that I'm stealing them, lock, stock, and barrel. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> )</p><p></p><p>Okay, let's try a revision : Version 2</p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: cyan">SPOT (WIS)</span></strong></p><p><em>Check:</em> The Spot skill represents seeing, recognizing, and being able to react normally to creatures or objects. In order to use this skill, you must be able to “see” the subject, either with normal vision, darkvision, or blindsight. (Note: darkvision and blindsight typically have very short effective ranges, but negate some forms of concealment or cover.) A Spot check is only necessary if the subject is hidden or difficult to see, if the subject is disguised in some way, or at the beginning of encounters. <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">When a creature is hidden or difficult to see, you roll either a Spot or a Notice check, and that roll is opposed by the Sneak check of the hidden creature. If the subject is not intentionally Sneaking, its Sneak check is 0, modified by circumstance (see the Sneak skill description).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Spot is also used to detect someone in disguise (see the Disguise skill), and to read lips when you can’t hear or understand what someone is saying.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Either Spot or Notice checks may be called for to determine the distance at which an encounter begins.</li> </ul><p></p><p><em>Read Lips:</em> (snipped, as SRD)</p><p></p><p>All Spot checks are penalized by distance (-1 per 10 feet) or if the character making the Spot check is distracted (not concentrating on being observant, -5 penalty).</p><p></p><p><em>Action</em>: Varies. Every time you have a chance to spot something in a reactive manner you can make a Spot check without using an action. Trying to spot something you failed to see previously is a move action. To read lips, you must concentrate for a full minute before making a Spot check, and you can’t perform any other action (other than moving at up to half speed) during this minute.</p><p></p><p><em>Try Again</em>: Yes. You can try to spot something that you failed to see previously at no penalty. You can attempt to read lips once per minute.</p><p></p><p>Special: (snipped, as SRD, except.....)</p><p>If you could reasonably use either Spot or Notice for a check, you receive a +2 bonus to the one you chose. This represents the synergy of using all of your senses at once. A task that only uses sight (like reading lips, guarding while in a crowded and noisy room, or watching a far mountain top) does not get this bonus.</p><p></p><p>If you have 5 or more ranks in Notice, you get a +2 bonus on Spot checks.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nail, post: 1440726, member: 224"] :) I disagree with the name "awareness". Awareness or perception don't fit the action verb model, nor do they imply the right thing, IMO. Awareness sounds too much like the feat Alertness, in part because of the word form, in part becasue they start with the same letter. Perception might be better, but again sounds like an ability score, like strength, rather than a skill, like notice. In both cases, I'm not sure they mirror the same sort of structure of Spot or Listen. But these are quibbles, really. ...Fun ones, though. I'll be interested to hear how the awareness skill name plays out in-game. "So, have you Awared the bad guy, or not?" "Someone's talking? I try to Aware what they're saying." "Yeah, I failed the check. I can't even Aware my hand in front of my face!" :) (Besides, if I distract you all with that quibbling, you won't realize how good the rest of DrSpunj's comments are...and that I'm stealing them, lock, stock, and barrel. :) ) Okay, let's try a revision : Version 2 [b][color=cyan]SPOT (WIS)[/color][/b][color=cyan][/color] [i]Check:[/i] The Spot skill represents seeing, recognizing, and being able to react normally to creatures or objects. In order to use this skill, you must be able to “see” the subject, either with normal vision, darkvision, or blindsight. (Note: darkvision and blindsight typically have very short effective ranges, but negate some forms of concealment or cover.) A Spot check is only necessary if the subject is hidden or difficult to see, if the subject is disguised in some way, or at the beginning of encounters.[list] [*]When a creature is hidden or difficult to see, you roll either a Spot or a Notice check, and that roll is opposed by the Sneak check of the hidden creature. If the subject is not intentionally Sneaking, its Sneak check is 0, modified by circumstance (see the Sneak skill description). [*]Spot is also used to detect someone in disguise (see the Disguise skill), and to read lips when you can’t hear or understand what someone is saying. [*]Either Spot or Notice checks may be called for to determine the distance at which an encounter begins.[/list] [i]Read Lips:[/i] (snipped, as SRD) All Spot checks are penalized by distance (-1 per 10 feet) or if the character making the Spot check is distracted (not concentrating on being observant, -5 penalty). [i]Action[/i]: Varies. Every time you have a chance to spot something in a reactive manner you can make a Spot check without using an action. Trying to spot something you failed to see previously is a move action. To read lips, you must concentrate for a full minute before making a Spot check, and you can’t perform any other action (other than moving at up to half speed) during this minute. [i]Try Again[/i]: Yes. You can try to spot something that you failed to see previously at no penalty. You can attempt to read lips once per minute. Special: (snipped, as SRD, except.....) If you could reasonably use either Spot or Notice for a check, you receive a +2 bonus to the one you chose. This represents the synergy of using all of your senses at once. A task that only uses sight (like reading lips, guarding while in a crowded and noisy room, or watching a far mountain top) does not get this bonus. If you have 5 or more ranks in Notice, you get a +2 bonus on Spot checks. [/QUOTE]
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