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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Raven Crowking" data-source="post: 4562921" data-attributes="member: 18280">Please note that the assertation being made here is very clear, to which I responded:Please note that, while I said "I have played in many games, over several editions, where the PC group didn't include a cleric" I most emphatically did not say that I have not played or run D&D for PC groups with a cleric, or that magical healing is not available.  Indeed, I go on to say:At which point the assertation is made that, somehow, the "crux of the matter" re: my complaint about Schroedinger's Wounding is revealed:To which I respondedWe were at the crux of the matter at the begining.  It would be highly unlikely both that my experiences in this regard differ from the "vast majority of D&D players" and that others would have the same experience re: Schroedinger's Wounding (and post to that effect) if this was "the crux of the matter".  Do we all, somehow, happen to fall into the same minority?  Or do we ignore that I have run/played in games with clerics, too, because doing so helps you compartmentalize and ignore the actual issues raised? andto which I respondedI am not at all certain that you have the authority to say what the experiences of the "vast majority of D&D players" is.SteveC then claims to have the authority to make this statement, and that not using CLW wands is "playing D&D very differently than most people".  Note that this is not access to magical potions of healing, or clerics, or any other class with magical healing abilities.  If you aren't using CLW wands, you're not doing it the way most people do it.  Indeed, CLW wands are apparently the default.Then SteveC made an attempt to conflate my assertion that CLW are not necessarily the norm with an assertion that no type of magical healing was ever the norm....a rather far cry from my actual statement, to wit:  "I've played with clerics and without clerics....RCFG includes magical healing, certainly, and I don't find it problematical within reason.  I am a fan of the potion of healing, for instance, but not the cure light wounds wand."So, I am certainly making two assertions here:(1)  Mustrum_Ridcully is wrong in saying "nobody waited on natural healing", and(2)  SteveC does not, and cannot, know that CLW wands are the norm across the majority of D&D players.One assertion I am definitely not making is the one SteveC ascribes to me:  "that one of the default roles for the game is not, a default."  CLW wands are not a default role, AFAICT.And I make sure that I am clear about this:Now, Obryn, please go back and tell me where my original point involved magical clerical healing as well.......?Indeed, Psion (in this case) has the right of it, IMHO:RC</blockquote>

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