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<blockquote data-quote="Snarf Zagyg" data-source="post: 9783132" data-attributes="member: 7023840"><p>I scream into the void ... <em>DOES ANYONE READ WHAT I WRITE?</em></p><p>And the void smugly responds, as it always does ... <em>HA HA! No.</em></p><p></p><p>So in the OP, I wrote as follows for the rules (I will <strong>bold</strong> the important bits for this question)- </p><p></p><p><em>1. The show must be <u>complete</u>, and have lasted at least <u>one full season</u>. In other words, no matter how much you like The Expanse or Stranger Things they are just not eligible. This also means no miniseries (not a "season") and not beloved shows that have been cancelled prior to airing a full season. That means you, Firefly. <strong>Please note, however, pace no. 5, below, that if a show has been around forever (with "forever" being defined as at least 10 years) in multiple incarnations (Doctor Who) or multiple series (Star Trek), it is eligible</strong>.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>2. It must be in English. There is, in fact, a surprising amount of good, non-English science fiction TV out there. But you have to narrow the field somewhat. This is the El Ministerio del Tiempo corollary. This does allow shows from the UK and Canada on this particular list. I'm relaxing this criteria only because I feel I am sufficiently informed about these shows- although I am sure someone will point out something I missed. Probably from Australia.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>3. It must be a drama, or a dramedy (mainly a drama). This is not because you can’t have a science fiction comedy- I just don’t want to cross the streams. This is the Futurama/MST3k paradox.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>5. The show will be judged from all episodes holistically, but sticking the landing matters. <strong>Most importantly, if a sci-fi show constitutes a whole “canon,” or "shared universe," then the various shows will get lumped together as one</strong>. If, on the other hand, a show has been rebooted (BSG, Lost in Space), then the <u>reboots</u> count separately. <strong>Call this the Star Trek Rule.</strong></em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>6. Unlike the other top 10 lists, science fiction is about ideas- and often (but not always) the future. <strong>Which means that shows will be given a slight nudge for being ahead of their time- or, if you prefer, they will not be docked because the special effects could not keep pace with the ideas. This is the Inviolable Law of the BBC Using a Telephone as a Spaceship</strong>.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>7. If the show is on my other top 10 list, then it is ineligible. In other words, I don't have to make the call on "Is Buffy sci fi?"</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>9. I have to have watched the show. Are the entirety of the Stargate shows good? Perhaps! I just don't know because I haven't seen them.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>10. No animation. Everything from Futurama to Cowboy Bebop could be on this list, but including animation (and, especially, anime) would make this too unwieldy.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>11. Science fiction should be given as wide as possible of a definition; if in doubt, it should be science fiction. However, shows like Game of Thrones are probably better as "fantasy" so I'll leave it at that. You can apply your own definition.</em></p><p></p><p></p><p>To answer your question (and the companion comment by [USER=90374]@payn[/USER] ) ... Dr. Who is "complete" per Rule 1 (it's been around "forever" as in more than 10 years) and I am judging the entire Whoniverse, while giving extra credit for the early stuff.</p><p></p><p>See? It's MATH!</p><p></p><p>Also- [USER=6701124]@Cadence[/USER] ... I'd have to seriously think about what the Top 10 would look like now. A lot of shows finished that were still being made when I posted this list, and a lot of other shows started and completed that would need to be considered (which means I'd have to think about Andor, which finished, but not Severance, which hasn't).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Snarf Zagyg, post: 9783132, member: 7023840"] I scream into the void ... [I]DOES ANYONE READ WHAT I WRITE?[/I] And the void smugly responds, as it always does ... [I]HA HA! No.[/I] So in the OP, I wrote as follows for the rules (I will [B]bold[/B] the important bits for this question)- [I]1. The show must be [U]complete[/U], and have lasted at least [U]one full season[/U]. In other words, no matter how much you like The Expanse or Stranger Things they are just not eligible. This also means no miniseries (not a "season") and not beloved shows that have been cancelled prior to airing a full season. That means you, Firefly. [B]Please note, however, pace no. 5, below, that if a show has been around forever (with "forever" being defined as at least 10 years) in multiple incarnations (Doctor Who) or multiple series (Star Trek), it is eligible[/B]. 2. It must be in English. There is, in fact, a surprising amount of good, non-English science fiction TV out there. But you have to narrow the field somewhat. This is the El Ministerio del Tiempo corollary. This does allow shows from the UK and Canada on this particular list. I'm relaxing this criteria only because I feel I am sufficiently informed about these shows- although I am sure someone will point out something I missed. Probably from Australia. 3. It must be a drama, or a dramedy (mainly a drama). This is not because you can’t have a science fiction comedy- I just don’t want to cross the streams. This is the Futurama/MST3k paradox. 5. The show will be judged from all episodes holistically, but sticking the landing matters. [B]Most importantly, if a sci-fi show constitutes a whole “canon,” or "shared universe," then the various shows will get lumped together as one[/B]. If, on the other hand, a show has been rebooted (BSG, Lost in Space), then the [U]reboots[/U] count separately. [B]Call this the Star Trek Rule.[/B] 6. Unlike the other top 10 lists, science fiction is about ideas- and often (but not always) the future. [B]Which means that shows will be given a slight nudge for being ahead of their time- or, if you prefer, they will not be docked because the special effects could not keep pace with the ideas. This is the Inviolable Law of the BBC Using a Telephone as a Spaceship[/B]. 7. If the show is on my other top 10 list, then it is ineligible. In other words, I don't have to make the call on "Is Buffy sci fi?" 9. I have to have watched the show. Are the entirety of the Stargate shows good? Perhaps! I just don't know because I haven't seen them. 10. No animation. Everything from Futurama to Cowboy Bebop could be on this list, but including animation (and, especially, anime) would make this too unwieldy. 11. Science fiction should be given as wide as possible of a definition; if in doubt, it should be science fiction. However, shows like Game of Thrones are probably better as "fantasy" so I'll leave it at that. You can apply your own definition.[/I] To answer your question (and the companion comment by [USER=90374]@payn[/USER] ) ... Dr. Who is "complete" per Rule 1 (it's been around "forever" as in more than 10 years) and I am judging the entire Whoniverse, while giving extra credit for the early stuff. See? It's MATH! Also- [USER=6701124]@Cadence[/USER] ... I'd have to seriously think about what the Top 10 would look like now. A lot of shows finished that were still being made when I posted this list, and a lot of other shows started and completed that would need to be considered (which means I'd have to think about Andor, which finished, but not Severance, which hasn't). [/QUOTE]
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