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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dr. Strangemonkey" data-source="post: 4679349" data-attributes="member: 6533">That looks good.I was thinking about your delimma, though, and I wonder if I haven't stumbled upon yet another direction.Is there a way you could engineer use of a laboratory or library directly into the rules for a skill challenge?I mean, stylistically speaking, that tends to be what laboratories and libraries are in the genres and models you mention.  They're a place where montages take place.  Or where dramatic encounters take place because montages occur there.And montages are something skill challenges are meant to simulate.So...Maybe what you really need is a way to incentivize labs and libraries for skill challenges.  And then a seperate system for making skill challenges in lab and libraries.Once you have the incentive here's what I think should happen in terms of play:Scenario 1 - DM: Here's a Skill Challenge:  You need to find the Hidden Temple of the Oscuratti.Player 1: I go to the court and use diplomacy.Player 2: I think back to my studies and use history.Player 3: My skills aren't all strong here, but I could go to the lab and check out this soil we found on the cultists boots.Scenario 2 - Looks like the Baron is behind these poisonings.Player 1: Let's bring our evidence to the authorities.Player 2: Lets's hunt him down.Player 3: No guys, we need to stop the killings, the poisons still in the well no matter what we do to him.  Let's go the lab and initiate a skill challenge for finding an antidote.This way it's not essential to a skill challenge so players aren't tied to the lab, but they do see the lab as a resource they can use to either help solve problems or to create solutions to challenges they identify.And if you just give it a skill challenge mechanic than that leaves it open to whatever specific application you and your players come up with.</blockquote>

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