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<blockquote data-quote="Ashrym" data-source="post: 9475443" data-attributes="member: 6750235">This is also &quot;as written&quot;:Players still have the option for backgrounds from older books or custom backgrounds.&nbsp; Either gives an origin feat of choice.It takes a rather ornery DM to nitpick the background to deny those options, IMO, but I suppose &quot;DM is ornery&quot; is a possibility.&nbsp; ;-)With the &quot;old background&quot; rule the PC can take those ability scores, but we were specifically talking about the rogue using Truestrike so barbarians, bards, clerics, druids, fighters, monks, paladins, rangers, sorcerers, warlock, and wizards aren't relevant to that point.The Sage background gives a choice of CON, INT, or WIS bonuses.&nbsp; Here is Truestrike:I bolded and underlined the important part here.&nbsp; The build that uses Truestrike is forced to use the spellcasting ability that was selected.&nbsp; This build is going to use INT or WIS to attack with Truestrike and can take CON for the hit points.&nbsp; Rogues can use this.It's not hard to access.&nbsp; Anyone can take the background and I expect that most DM's will allow the updates for old backgrounds or a custom background.&nbsp; It's more of a system mastery issue specific to the Sage background.&nbsp; I agree that it's harder to apply outside of the rogue specific example, but that also assumes a level of optimization that might not exist.&nbsp; IE not optimized is not the same thing as not accessible.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ashrym, post: 9475443, member: 6750235"] This is also "as written": Players still have the option for backgrounds from older books or custom backgrounds. Either gives an origin feat of choice. It takes a rather ornery DM to nitpick the background to deny those options, IMO, but I suppose "DM is ornery" is a possibility. ;-) With the "old background" rule the PC can take those ability scores, but we were specifically talking about the rogue using Truestrike so barbarians, bards, clerics, druids, fighters, monks, paladins, rangers, sorcerers, warlock, and wizards aren't relevant to that point. The Sage background gives a choice of CON, INT, or WIS bonuses. Here is Truestrike: I bolded and underlined the important part here. The build that uses Truestrike is forced to use the spellcasting ability that was selected. This build is going to use INT or WIS to attack with Truestrike and can take CON for the hit points. Rogues can use this. It's not hard to access. Anyone can take the background and I expect that most DM's will allow the updates for old backgrounds or a custom background. It's more of a system mastery issue specific to the Sage background. I agree that it's harder to apply outside of the rogue specific example, but that also assumes a level of optimization that might not exist. IE not optimized is not the same thing as not accessible. [/QUOTE]

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