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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 3666848" data-attributes="member: 1656">Consider undead or constructs, with a Con of --.  This is very different to a Con of 0.Or an Int of --, again different to an Int of 0.Consider Remove Blindness, a Conjuration (Healing) spell that does not heal any points of damage.  If it healed a number of points of damage that happened to be 0, it would heal more than that when cast by someone with the Augment Healing feat; there's a difference in this case between not healing, and healing 0 points.Consider a net thrown by a character with 14 Str.  Thrown weapons add Str bonus to damage dealt; if the net dealt 0 points of damage, the total would be 2 points.  But the net does not deal damage, so Str bonus is not added.  There's a difference between dealing 0 points, and not dealing damage.Certainly: "Anyone with a spell on his or her spell list knows how to use a spell trigger item that stores that spell. (This is the case even for a character who can’t actually cast spells, such as a 3rd-level paladin.)"See the Formian Queen for an example.The phenomenon is detailed under Nonabilities:Nonabilities: Some creatures lack certain ability scores. These creatures do not have an ability score of 0—they lack the ability altogether. The modifier for a nonability is +0. An initiative check is a Dexterity check.  Let's say a Psion had taken Dexterity damage sufficient to put him at Dex 0.  He cannot move, but he can still undertake purely mental actions, like manifesting powers.  At the start of combat, he will make an initiative check with a modifier of -5; on his turn, he can take actions that don't involve moving.Now let's say we have a Formian Queen, with a Dex of --.  Per the description of the Dexterity nonability, she uses her Int modifier in place of her Dex modifier for initiative checks.  This option is not available to the Psion, since he has a Dexterity score... which is 0.  She doesn't have a Dexterity score at all, and different rules apply.-Hyp.</blockquote>

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