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<blockquote data-quote="Runestar" data-source="post: 4431849" data-attributes="member: 72317"><p>Actually, RAW states that it is divine. The end result looks at the spellcaster contributing the spell to be cast, not the crafter. I believe it is covered either in the FAQ or the DMG. I will try to locate it and post it later.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Which I feel can only end up over-complicating this debate. What we should be focusing on is answering the OP's query solely from a rules perspective, without inserting our own POV about how we feel the rule ought to work instead. Let him houserule his way if he does not like the final answer, rather than we doing the houseruling and trying to pass it off as canon. </p><p></p><p>For example, the warlock cannot take supernatural transformation since his abilities are technically derived from his class, even though his flavour suggests that his powers are "innate". You can argue until the cows come home about why he should be allowed to do so, but the fact remains that he cannot by a literal reading of the rules. If he is not happy about it, he can certainly rule otherwise. But we, as rules interpreters, should not claim the latter as RAW simply because we feel it "ought" to be the case.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And the warlock is technically not a caster in the sense of the word. For instance, it does not benefit from practiced spellcaster (as clarified by the FAQ). It is merely treated as a spellcaster for all intents and purposes of interacting from a very narrow and specific list of benefits (all of which are scattered throughout CA), such as what prcs it may qualify for, what feats it can take and the like. </p><p></p><p>Here is the relevant entry (page27 for reference).</p><p></p><p></p><p>This means that it is in fact, neither arcane or divine. Why it was included in complete arcane, I have no idea (perhaps the designers felt it covered a role similar to other arcane spellcasting classes?), nor do I feel it really matters in this context. </p><p></p><p>As such, my reply is, and has always been this: The warlock can emulate spells to meet the crafting requirements of magic items, and the nature of those spells (ie: arcane or divine) will depend on which he wants to replicate (typically, you will want to choose the lower lv version or the version without costly arcane material components to cut down on crafting costs). For instance, if the warlock12/chameleon2 wishes to scribe a scroll of identify, he can (and should) opt to emulate it as an oracle domain1 spell, rather than the wizard/sorc version (since the divine version does not require a 100gp pearl, and is thus that much cheaper).<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Runestar, post: 4431849, member: 72317"] Actually, RAW states that it is divine. The end result looks at the spellcaster contributing the spell to be cast, not the crafter. I believe it is covered either in the FAQ or the DMG. I will try to locate it and post it later. Which I feel can only end up over-complicating this debate. What we should be focusing on is answering the OP's query solely from a rules perspective, without inserting our own POV about how we feel the rule ought to work instead. Let him houserule his way if he does not like the final answer, rather than we doing the houseruling and trying to pass it off as canon. For example, the warlock cannot take supernatural transformation since his abilities are technically derived from his class, even though his flavour suggests that his powers are "innate". You can argue until the cows come home about why he should be allowed to do so, but the fact remains that he cannot by a literal reading of the rules. If he is not happy about it, he can certainly rule otherwise. But we, as rules interpreters, should not claim the latter as RAW simply because we feel it "ought" to be the case. And the warlock is technically not a caster in the sense of the word. For instance, it does not benefit from practiced spellcaster (as clarified by the FAQ). It is merely treated as a spellcaster for all intents and purposes of interacting from a very narrow and specific list of benefits (all of which are scattered throughout CA), such as what prcs it may qualify for, what feats it can take and the like. Here is the relevant entry (page27 for reference). This means that it is in fact, neither arcane or divine. Why it was included in complete arcane, I have no idea (perhaps the designers felt it covered a role similar to other arcane spellcasting classes?), nor do I feel it really matters in this context. As such, my reply is, and has always been this: The warlock can emulate spells to meet the crafting requirements of magic items, and the nature of those spells (ie: arcane or divine) will depend on which he wants to replicate (typically, you will want to choose the lower lv version or the version without costly arcane material components to cut down on crafting costs). For instance, if the warlock12/chameleon2 wishes to scribe a scroll of identify, he can (and should) opt to emulate it as an oracle domain1 spell, rather than the wizard/sorc version (since the divine version does not require a 100gp pearl, and is thus that much cheaper).:) [/QUOTE]
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